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<div>...not to mention that all mature networks are moving more
towards GUI front ends for their automated network. As the
complexity of a network increases, CLI access becomes
considerably more risky.
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<div>The idea that "real engineers use the CLI" is dinosaur
thinking that will eventually land those with that
philosophy out of a job. Just my personal $.02 (though
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<p>I didn't mean to imply "real engineers use the CLI" only, but
that's the way you read it (perhaps others, too), so all good.
Definitely, there is no shortage of network engineering jobs for
those that mainly use CLI compared to those that use mainly/only a
GUI, at least as far as I have seen. The CLI works on all
networks, but a GUI is different in each network. As was
mentioned upthread, there is a place for a GUI. I am not implying
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<p>I can't even begin to imagine trying to troubleshoot the complex
problems I deal with day-to-day on a GUI and I am on a medium
sized network compared to those on this list.<br>
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<div>But I'd like to reiterate that the board's goal
with modernization is not to alienate anyone from the
existing community by forcing them into a web-interface.
Discourse is under evaluation, and if it doesn't
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<p>Thanks for that. I consider this list one of the most important
tools I have for learning about networking.</p>
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not find an HTTP GUI on the bigger networks dealt with
on this list; <br>
only on the tiny networks. So they're beginning
learners and are, of <br>
course, welcome. They will lean a lot, just as I did in
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<div>Let's see...</div>
<div>Google: Gmail</div>
<div>Microsoft: Hotmail/Outlook/Office365</div>
<div>Yahoo/VerizonMedia: Yahoo Mail</div>
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<div>I'd have to say, there's some pretty big networks on
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<div>use HTTP GUIs for their email.</div>
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<div>Of course, you might be big enough that you look down
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<div>networks of Google, Microsoft, and VZM as "tiny
networks" -- in </div>
<div>which case, you're definitely entitled to your
opinion, as all 8000</div>
<div>pound gorillas that look down on the puny 800 lb
gorillas are. ;)</div>
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