<div dir="auto">Second for NTT. We have found that their pricing wasn’t to far off from HE. I can count on one hand in 10 years how many times we had issues and needed to contact them.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 14:06 David Hubbard <<a href="mailto:dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com">dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve been pretty happy with NTT but their POPs can be limited; I’ve had to pick up waves to them, which sometimes still comes out ahead. I’m slowly dropping Cogent due to the v6 issues. I haven’t been able to try HE because they and a
frequent colo provider I use (Switch) don’t seem to get along.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">NANOG <nanog-bounces+dhubbard=<a href="mailto:dino.hostasaurus.com@nanog.org" target="_blank">dino.hostasaurus.com@nanog.org</a>> on behalf of Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" target="_blank">nanog@ics-il.net</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 11:52 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>NANOG list <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Viable Third Option?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">This is from the perspective of an eyeball network. I understand that content networks would have different objectives and reasons. For instance, I have little to
no reason as an eyeball network to exchange traffic with any other eyeball network (aside from P2P games). For a content network, getting into the eyeball networks is their objective.<u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">My crystal ball tells me this thread will spiral out of control because people won't be able to keep it on topic, but it is a question that I hear VERY often. I also
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Please try to keep it on topic and not being pedantic over relatively unimportant details.<u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">There are two major low-cost providers, Cogent and HE.<u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Refuses to peer IPv6 with HE<u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Refuses to peer IPv6 with Google<u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Aggressive sales tactics<u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Doesn't have Cogent IPv6 because of Cogent's refusal<u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Lack of communities for anything other than blackholes<u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">I know there are a variety of other providers such as Fusion Network that operate at similar price points, but are available in way fewer locations.<u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">What else is out there? Anyone else that isn't 5x, 10x the cost?<u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Cogent and HE get looked down upon (and sometimes deservedly so), but when I talk to someone trying to sell me a port in 350 Cermak for 8x the cost of Cogent and
HE, you better have a very good argument for why you're worth it... and they never do. "We're not Cogent." "and?" Many times I'm quoted transit that costs more than Cogent + IX + HE and they don't really have a good argument for it.<u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u><u style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></u></span></p>
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