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And by the way, your 41% figure is misleading because it is an average over a continent where Western Europe has twice the standard of living as the East. Rich side of the tracks, poor side of the tracks.
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In Germany about 80% of power cables are buried. Nearly 87% of low voltage cables are buried and the German grid virtually never goes down despite all that flaky and unpredictable wind and solar power.
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Yes, population density is very high in Germany, but the reason power cables are above ground in Eastern Eastern is low GDP.
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And those high percentages buried in Western Europe are remarkable when you consider Europe is not subject to severe storms like the States.
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There are no severe storms comparable to the Atlantic disturbances or even this cold spell.
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As I said, it is "time to make America great again". <span id="😉">Capital investment, not big cars. 😉</span><br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 17, 2021 6:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rod Beck <rod.beck@unitedcablecompany.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com>; Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>; nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts</font>
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<div class="PlainText">On Tue, 16 Feb 2021, Rod Beck wrote:<br>
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> Are the power lines buried like in Europe where I live?<br>
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> I really think using poles is crazy and global warming guarantees enough<br>
> atmospheric turbulence to make it untenable. Florida is moving to bury<br>
> power lines.<br>
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Only 41% of European lines are underground [1]. Population density is<br>
higher in the UK, 280 per sq km, versus the US, 34 per sq km [2].<br>
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Netherlands: 423 per sq km<br>
Belgium: 376 per sq km<br>
Germany: 233 per sq km<br>
Switzerland: 208 per sq km<br>
Italy: 200 per sq km<br>
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When population density is low, the cost to install buried lines does<br>
not make financial sense, even considering the outages.<br>
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In major cities, lines are buried in the US.<br>
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Granted, there are several US States that individually are similar to<br>
Europe:<br>
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New Jersey: 467 per sq km<br>
Massachussetts: 331 per sq km<br>
New York: 161 per sq km (despite having NYC, largest city in the US)<br>
California: 95 per sq km (despite having LA, 2nd largest city in the US)<br>
Texas: 39 per sq km<br>
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Buried lines makes sense where it makes sense. Comparing Europe to the<br>
US is way too broad, and I don't know where you live.<br>
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[1] <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-05/why-europe-pays-less-than-u-s-to-put-power-lines-underground">
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-05/why-europe-pays-less-than-u-s-to-put-power-lines-underground</a><br>
[2] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density">
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density</a><br>
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> ________________________________<br>
> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+rod.beck=unitedcablecompany.com@nanog.org> on behalf of Mikael Abrahamsson via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org><br>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 9:06 AM<br>
> To: Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com><br>
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org><br>
> Subject: RE: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts<br>
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> On Mon, 15 Feb 2021, Sean Donelan wrote:<br>
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>> Strange the massive shortages and failures are only in one state.<br>
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>> The extreme cold weather extends northwards across many states, which aren't<br>
>> reporting rolling blackouts.<br>
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> <a href="https://www.texastribune.org/2011/02/08/texplainer-why-does-texas-have-its-own-power-grid/">
https://www.texastribune.org/2011/02/08/texplainer-why-does-texas-have-its-own-power-grid/</a><br>
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> Going at it alone can be beneficial sometimes, sometimes it's not.<br>
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> --<br>
> Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se<br>
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