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    <p><font face="Arial Rounded MT">I second the motion for NTT. <br>
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    <p><font face="Arial Rounded MT">I would never connect to GTT
        again.....if you want to know why.....contact offlist.</font></p>
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    <p><font face="Arial Rounded MT"></font>joe<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/17/2021 1:58 PM, Patrick W.
      Gilmore wrote:<br>
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      Second vote for NTT.
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      <div>Also, second vote for GTT.<br>
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            <div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">TTFN,</span></div>
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          <blockquote type="cite">On Feb 17, 2021, at 14:07, David
            Hubbard <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com"><dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com></a> wrote:<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">I’ve been pretty happy with NTT but
                their POPs can be limited; I’ve had to pick up waves to
                them, which sometimes still comes out ahead.  I’m slowly
                dropping Cogent due to the v6 issues.  I haven’t been
                able to try HE because they and a frequent colo provider
                I use (Switch) don’t seem to get along.<o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">NANOG
                    <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog-bounces+dhubbard=dino.hostasaurus.com@nanog.org"><nanog-bounces+dhubbard=dino.hostasaurus.com@nanog.org></a>
                    on behalf of Mike Hammett <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net"><nanog@ics-il.net></a><br>
                    <b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 11:52
                    AM<br>
                    <b>To: </b>NANOG list <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"><nanog@nanog.org></a><br>
                    <b>Subject: </b>Viable Third Option?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">This
                      is from the perspective of an eyeball network. I
                      understand that content networks would have
                      different objectives and reasons. For instance, I
                      have little to no reason as an eyeball network to
                      exchange traffic with any other eyeball network
                      (aside from P2P games). For a content network,
                      getting into the eyeball networks is their
                      objective.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">My
                    crystal ball tells me this thread will spiral out of
                    control because people won't be able to keep it on
                    topic, but it is a question that I hear VERY often.
                    I also expect a lot of purely bad or outdated
                    information to get thrown out.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Please
                      try to keep it on topic and not being pedantic
                      over relatively unimportant details.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">There
                      are two major low-cost providers, Cogent and HE.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Cogent<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
                      level1 lfo1">
                      <span
                        style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Refuses
                        to peer IPv6 with HE<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                    <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
                      level1 lfo1">
                      <span
                        style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Refuses
                        to peer IPv6 with Google<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                    <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
                      level1 lfo1">
                      <span
                        style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Aggressive
                        sales tactics<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Hurricane<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
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                        <span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Doesn't
                          have Cogent IPv6 because of Cogent's refusal<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                      <li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
                        level1 lfo2">
                        <span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Lack
                          of communities for anything other than
                          blackholes<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I
                        know there are a variety of other providers such
                        as Fusion Network that operate at similar price
                        points, but are available in way fewer
                        locations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">What
                        else is out there? Anyone else that isn't 5x,
                        10x the cost?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Cogent
                        and HE get looked down upon (and sometimes
                        deservedly so), but when I talk to someone
                        trying to sell me a port in 350 Cermak for 8x
                        the cost of Cogent and HE, you better have a
                        very good argument for why you're worth it...
                         and they never do. "We're not Cogent." "and?"
                        Many times I'm quoted transit that costs more
                        than Cogent + IX + HE and they don't really have
                        a good argument for it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">As
                        an eyeball, I join an IX and there goes 50% -
                        85% of my traffic and almost all of my traffic
                        that anyone is going to notice or complain about
                        if there are issues (video streaming).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I
                        do understand that enterprise eyeballs may have
                        different requirements.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
"However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results."

"A Nation that forgets its past has no future."

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