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<p><font face="Arial Rounded MT">I second the motion for NTT. <br>
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<p><font face="Arial Rounded MT">I would never connect to GTT
again.....if you want to know why.....contact offlist.</font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial Rounded MT"></font>joe<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/17/2021 1:58 PM, Patrick W.
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Second vote for NTT.
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<div>Also, second vote for GTT.<br>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">TTFN,</span></div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Feb 17, 2021, at 14:07, David
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve been pretty happy with NTT but
their POPs can be limited; I’ve had to pick up waves to
them, which sometimes still comes out ahead. I’m slowly
dropping Cogent due to the v6 issues. I haven’t been
able to try HE because they and a frequent colo provider
I use (Switch) don’t seem to get along.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog-bounces+dhubbard=dino.hostasaurus.com@nanog.org"><nanog-bounces+dhubbard=dino.hostasaurus.com@nanog.org></a>
on behalf of Mike Hammett <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net"><nanog@ics-il.net></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 11:52
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<b>To: </b>NANOG list <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"><nanog@nanog.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Viable Third Option?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">This
is from the perspective of an eyeball network. I
understand that content networks would have
different objectives and reasons. For instance, I
have little to no reason as an eyeball network to
exchange traffic with any other eyeball network
(aside from P2P games). For a content network,
getting into the eyeball networks is their
objective.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">My
crystal ball tells me this thread will spiral out of
control because people won't be able to keep it on
topic, but it is a question that I hear VERY often.
I also expect a lot of purely bad or outdated
information to get thrown out.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Please
try to keep it on topic and not being pedantic
over relatively unimportant details.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">There
are two major low-cost providers, Cogent and HE.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Cogent<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
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to peer IPv6 with HE<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span
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to peer IPv6 with Google<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Aggressive
sales tactics<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Hurricane<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span
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have Cogent IPv6 because of Cogent's refusal<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Lack
of communities for anything other than
blackholes<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I
know there are a variety of other providers such
as Fusion Network that operate at similar price
points, but are available in way fewer
locations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">What
else is out there? Anyone else that isn't 5x,
10x the cost?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Cogent
and HE get looked down upon (and sometimes
deservedly so), but when I talk to someone
trying to sell me a port in 350 Cermak for 8x
the cost of Cogent and HE, you better have a
very good argument for why you're worth it...
and they never do. "We're not Cogent." "and?"
Many times I'm quoted transit that costs more
than Cogent + IX + HE and they don't really have
a good argument for it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">As
an eyeball, I join an IX and there goes 50% -
85% of my traffic and almost all of my traffic
that anyone is going to notice or complain about
if there are issues (video streaming).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I
do understand that enterprise eyeballs may have
different requirements.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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