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    <p>"You have to let your customer's services contain death threats
      against the owner of your company or we'll blacklist you" is the
      wildest take of 2021 yet.</p>
    <p>Blocking Amazon because of who they allow to remain a customer is
      something I wholeheartedly encourage my competitors to do.<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/12/21 9:29 AM, Kevin McCormick
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Imagine
            if Tier 1 ISPs had a censorship free clause that required
            companies like Twitter, Facebook, and Amazon to provide
            services free of censorship or have IP blocks blackholed.
            They would lose hundreds of millions of dollars per day. I
            bet they would reverse their tone in a hurry.<br>
            <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/idaho-internet-provider-to-block-facebook-twitter-over-their-trump-bans/">https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/idaho-internet-provider-to-block-facebook-twitter-over-their-trump-bans/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thank
              you,<br>
              <br>
              Kevin McCormick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
                NANOG
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog-bounces+kmccormick=mdtc.net@nanog.org"><nanog-bounces+kmccormick=mdtc.net@nanog.org></a>
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>mark seery<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 10, 2021 8:06 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> K. Scott Helms <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kscott.helms@gmail.com"><kscott.helms@gmail.com></a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> NANOG Operators' Group
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"><nanog@nanog.org></a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: Parler<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I assume multiple networks/ ISPs that have
          acceptable use policies that call out criminality and
          incitement to violence, for example:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/comcast-acceptable-use-policy"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/comcast-acceptable-use-policy</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Have these
            AUPs been invoked previously for these reasons, or would
            that be new territory?<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Sent from Mobile Device<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <br>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Jan
                10, 2021, at 2:52 PM, K. Scott Helms <<a
                  href="mailto:kscott.helms@gmail.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">kscott.helms@gmail.com</a>>
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Right, it's not a list for content
                  hosting.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Scott Helms<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:42 PM
                    <<a href="mailto:sronan@ronan-online.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">sronan@ronan-online.com</a>>
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">No,
                      this is a list for Network Operators.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        <br>
                        <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Jan 10, 2021,
                          at 5:32 PM, K. Scott Helms <<a
                            href="mailto:kscott.helms@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">kscott.helms@gmail.com</a>>
                          wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">This is a list for
                            pushing bits.  The fact that many/most of us
                            have other businesses doesn't make this an
                            appropriate forum for SIP issues (to use my
                            own work as an example).<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Jan 10, 2021,
                              4:52 PM <<a
                                href="mailto:sronan@ronan-online.com"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sronan@ronan-online.com</a>>
                              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">This is a
                                list for Network Operators, AWS
                                certainly operates networks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                  <br>
                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Jan
                                    10, 2021, at 4:27 PM, K. Scott Helms
                                    <<a
                                      href="mailto:kscott.helms@gmail.com"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">kscott.helms@gmail.com</a>>
                                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">No,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">It really
                                          does not.  Section 230 only
                                          applies to publishers, and not
                                          to network providers.  If this
                                          were a cloud hosting provider
                                          list then you'd be correct,
                                          but as a network provider's
                                          list it does not belong here.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br clear="all">
                                          <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Scott Helms<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Jan
                                          10, 2021 at 3:21 PM Lady
                                          Benjamin PD Cannon <<a
                                            href="mailto:ben@6by7.net"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">ben@6by7.net</a>>
                                          wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal">As
                                            network operations and
                                            compute/cloud/hosting
                                            operations continue to
                                            coalesce, I very much
                                            disagree with you.  Section
                                            230 is absolutely relevant,
                                            this discussion is timely
                                            and relevant, and it
                                            directly affects me as both
                                            a telecom and cloud
                                            compute/services provider. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">—L.B.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Lady
                                                        Benjamin PD
                                                        Cannon, ASCE<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">6x7
                                                        Networks &
                                                        6x7 Telecom,
                                                        LLC <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">CEO <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="mailto:ben@6by7.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ben@6by7.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                                  </div>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">"The
                                                        only fully
                                                        end-to-end
                                                        encrypted global
telecommunications company in the world.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">FCC
                                                        License KJ6FJJ<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><Speedtest9118.png><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><Ben
                                                  LIC.png><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                <br>
                                                <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                                    Jan 10, 2021, at
                                                    12:13 PM, K. Scott
                                                    Helms <<a
                                                      href="mailto:kscott.helms@gmail.com"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">kscott.helms@gmail.com</a>>
                                                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">It's
                                                      not, and frankly
                                                      it's disappointing
                                                      to see people
                                                      pushing an agenda
                                                      here.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Scott Helms<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      On Sun, Jan 10,
                                                      2021 at 9:37 AM
                                                      <<a
                                                        href="mailto:sronan@ronan-online.com"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">sronan@ronan-online.com</a>> wrote:<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                        NANOG is a group
                                                        of Operators,
                                                        discussion does
                                                        not have to be
                                                        about
                                                        networking. I
                                                        have already
                                                        explained how
                                                        this represents
                                                        a significant
                                                        issue for
                                                        Network
                                                        Operators.<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        On Jan 10, 2021,
                                                        at 9:09 AM, Mike
                                                        Bolitho <<a
                                                          href="mailto:mikebolitho@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mikebolitho@gmail.com</a>>
                                                        wrote:<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <span
                                                          style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"></span><br>
                                                        It has nothing
                                                        to do with
                                                        networking.
                                                        Their decision
                                                        was necessarily
                                                        political. If
                                                        you can
                                                        specifically
                                                        bring up an
                                                        issue, beyond
                                                        speculative, on
                                                        how their new
                                                        chosen CDN is
                                                        somehow now
                                                        causing
                                                        congestion or
                                                        routing issues
                                                        on the public
                                                        internet, then
                                                        great. But as of
                                                        now, that isn't
                                                        even a thing.
                                                        It's just best
                                                        to leave it
                                                        alone because it
                                                        will devolve
                                                        into chaos.<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        - Mike Bolitho<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        On Sun, Jan 10,
                                                        2021, 6:54 AM
                                                        <<a
                                                          href="mailto:sronan@ronan-online.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sronan@ronan-online.com</a>>
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                                                          Why? This is
                                                          extremely
                                                          relevant to
                                                          network
                                                          operators and
                                                          is not
                                                          political at
                                                          all.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On Jan 10,
                                                          2021, at 8:51
                                                          AM, Mike
                                                          Bolitho <<a
href="mailto:mikebolitho@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">mikebolitho@gmail.com</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          Can we please
                                                          not go down
                                                          this rabbit
                                                          hole on here?
                                                          List admins?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          - Mike Bolitho<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On Sun, Jan
                                                          10, 2021, 1:26
                                                          AM William
                                                          Herrin <<a
href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">bill@herrin.us</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          Anybody
                                                          looking for a
                                                          new customer
                                                          opportunity?
                                                          It seems
                                                          Parler is in<br>
                                                          search of a
                                                          new service
                                                          provider.
                                                          Vendors need
                                                          only provide
                                                          all the<br>
                                                          proprietary
                                                          AWS APIs that
                                                          Parler depends
                                                          upon to
                                                          function.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <a
href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/09/amazon-parler-suspension/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/09/amazon-parler-suspension/</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Regards,<br>
                                                          Bill HErrin<o:p></o:p></p>
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