<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I assume multiple networks/ ISPs that have acceptable use policies that call out criminality and incitement to violence, for example:<div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/comcast-acceptable-use-policy">https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/comcast-acceptable-use-policy</a></div><div><br></div><div>Have these AUPs been invoked previously for these reasons, or would that be new territory?<br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from Mobile Device</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 10, 2021, at 2:52 PM, K. Scott Helms <kscott.helms@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Right, it's not a list for content hosting.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Scott Helms</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:42 PM <<a href="mailto:sronan@ronan-online.com">sronan@ronan-online.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">No, this is a list for Network Operators.<br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 10, 2021, at 5:32 PM, K. Scott Helms <<a href="mailto:kscott.helms@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">kscott.helms@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">This is a list for pushing bits. The fact that many/most of us have other businesses doesn't make this an appropriate forum for SIP issues (to use my own work as an example).</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 4:52 PM <<a href="mailto:sronan@ronan-online.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sronan@ronan-online.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">This is a list for Network Operators, AWS certainly operates networks.<br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jan 10, 2021, at 4:27 PM, K. Scott Helms <<a href="mailto:kscott.helms@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kscott.helms@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">No,<div><br></div><div>It really does not. Section 230 only applies to publishers, and not to network providers. If this were a cloud hosting provider list then you'd be correct, but as a network provider's list it does not belong here.<br><br><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Scott Helms<br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 3:21 PM Lady Benjamin PD Cannon <<a href="mailto:ben@6by7.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ben@6by7.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>As network operations and compute/cloud/hosting operations continue to coalesce, I very much disagree with you. Section 230 is absolutely relevant, this discussion is timely and relevant, and it directly affects me as both a telecom and cloud compute/services provider. <div><br></div><div><br><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jan 10, 2021, at 12:13 PM, K. Scott Helms <<a href="mailto:kscott.helms@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">kscott.helms@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div>It's not, and frankly it's disappointing to see people pushing an agenda here.<br><br><br>Scott Helms<br><br><br>On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 9:37 AM <<a href="mailto:sronan@ronan-online.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">sronan@ronan-online.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><br>NANOG is a group of Operators, discussion does not have to be about networking. I have already explained how this represents a significant issue for Network Operators.<br><br>On Jan 10, 2021, at 9:09 AM, Mike Bolitho <<a href="mailto:mikebolitho@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">mikebolitho@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><br>It has nothing to do with networking. Their decision was necessarily political. If you can specifically bring up an issue, beyond speculative, on how their new chosen CDN is somehow now causing congestion or routing issues on the public internet, then great. But as of now, that isn't even a thing. It's just best to leave it alone because it will devolve into chaos.<br><br>- Mike Bolitho<br><br>On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 6:54 AM <<a href="mailto:sronan@ronan-online.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">sronan@ronan-online.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><br>Why? This is extremely relevant to network operators and is not political at all.<br><br>On Jan 10, 2021, at 8:51 AM, Mike Bolitho <<a href="mailto:mikebolitho@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">mikebolitho@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><br>Can we please not go down this rabbit hole on here? List admins?<br><br>- Mike Bolitho<br><br>On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:26 AM William Herrin <<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">bill@herrin.us</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><br>Anybody looking for a new customer opportunity? It seems Parler is in<br>search of a new service provider. Vendors need only provide all the<br>proprietary AWS APIs that Parler depends upon to function.<br><br><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/09/amazon-parler-suspension/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/09/amazon-parler-suspension/</a><br><br>Regards,<br>Bill HErrin<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div>
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