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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/26/20 11:49 AM, Mel Beckman
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<blockquote type="cite"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">The thing is that the
pandemic has changed the game on the ground: there is an
actual feature differentiator to be had. But having dealt
with the Linksys folks in the past I don't put out much hope
that they'll take advantage of it. The software development
side was a vast black hole where time stands still. It seems
the entire industry is like that.</span></blockquote>
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<div><font color="#000000"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0,
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rgb(255, 255, 255);">Michael,</span></font></div>
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<div><font color="#000000"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0,
0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color:
rgb(255, 255, 255);">Even 100 Mbps Internet is fine for
Zoom, as long as the uplink speed is at least 10 Mbps. The
average zoom session requires 2 Mbps up and down, and even
for the lavish six-screen executive sessions, 6 Mbps is
plenty good. So arguing that 10 GbE is necessary because
“pandemic has changed the game on the ground” is silly. </span></font></div>
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<div><a
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<div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">So,
sorry, 10 GbE is a hobbyists fantasy, not a marketable
product. If hobbyists want 10GbE, let them pay for it like
the rest of us, and let them play CoD from inside freezing
data center :)<br>
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<p>I'm not saying anything about 10G, other than my initial query as
to whether any residence could possibly need that much bandwidth.
But buffer bloat is a problem with a lot of us still stuck on DSL
with no prospect of anything better. It's not the bandwidth per
se, it is how the bandwidth is consumed at home. Better queuing
disciplines than tail drop with a gigantic queue could help zoom
meetings a lot where bandwidth is more constrained. And regardless
of bandwidth, huge queues are not good for real time traffic for
anything. You'd think that gamers would be acutely aware of this
and create a market for routers that cater to their hunger for
less latency. <br>
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<p>Mike<br>
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