<html><body><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Founder of the below-mentioned 48 IX here. @Paul, I’m glad to see some attention being given to Phoenix-IX. If I can be of help, or if you see any opportunities for our two exchanges to partner in any way, just let me know!</div><div><br></div><div>Regarding our facility footprint, we’re currently at EdgeConneX EDCPHX01 only, but have had offers for free colocation at both PhoenixNAP & Iron Mountain AZP-1 (via prospective participants, not the facilities themselves, although I haven’t asked), we’re just missing the transport piece. If anyone interested in joining 48 IX is able to help in this area, we could easily expand to these two facilities very quickly. As of today, we have Hurricane Electric, Cloudflare, and Stellar Technologies as active members.</div><div><br></div><div>Feel free to reach out to me directly: <a href="mailto:matt@48ix.net">matt@48ix.net</a></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Matt Love</div></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr" style="">On Nov 16, 2020 at 1:09:08 PM, Paul Emmons <<a href="mailto:paul@emmons.mx">paul@emmons.mx</a>> wrote:<br></div>
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<p>Hello All!</p>
<p>I've been out of the loop here and but have some updates.</p>
<p>There was a change last spring and I moved on to other projects.
But that hasn't worked out for the IX. <br>
</p>
<p>I have regained access to all of the elements, including the
email and voip. Let me reach out to each of you offline in the
coming days.</p>
<p>I have been able to reach out to a few locals that are willing to
help get the project back up to where it needs to be.</p>
<p>If I haven;t reached out to you in the next 48 hours or you have
something urgent, please reach out to me here (my personal email)
or via the Phoenix-IX Contacts</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net" style="">peering@phoenix-ix.net</a></p>
<p>+1 602 688-6414<br>
</p>
~Paul Emmons
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/16/2020 12:23 PM, Neil Hanlon
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">While I agree it is objectively irresponsible to
abandon a project without passing it to another, I think that
possibly in this situation we don't know all the details?
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<div>2020 has been a difficult year for everyone. Perhaps Paul
(and whomever else may be responsible for Phoenix-IX) were
subject to things this year beyond their control which led
them to be unable to work on the project and unable to
transfer it, either.. unfortunate, yes.. but not malicious
surely.</div>
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<div>If Paul _is_ reading these messages.. I think support is
the best path forward.. If there are things that can be done
to assist/take over the IX... maybe that would help (as you,
Kate, had offered towards the beginning of this all). Though
of course, the first step is _reaching_ them... Maybe this
can be turned into a "win" for everyone. So: Paul/Phoenix-IX
-- let the NANOG community know how they/we can help.</div>
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</div>
<div>--</div>
<div>Neil</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr" style="">On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 2:05
PM Kate Gerry <<a href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com" style="">kgerry@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">An update on my
side, we reached out to PhoenixNAP, one of the
Phoenix-IX's vendors.
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<div>PhoenixNAP reached out all of their contacts at
Phoenix-IX and have received no response. They are in as
much of the dark as the rest of us. I feel like I'm on
the Ghost ship Phoenix-IX.</div>
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<div>What I don't understand, is how somebody could
abandon a project without passing it to another person
or entity. This is extremely irresponsible.</div>
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<div>On Nov 12, 2020, at 05:11, Marcus Josephson
<<a href="mailto:mjosephson@inap.com" target="_blank" style="">mjosephson@inap.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I
tried to get a link to PHX-IX for months.
Never heard back from them, went with
Digital Realty Phoenix</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>From:</b><span> </span>NANOG
<<a href="mailto:nanog-bounces+mjosephson=inap.com@nanog.org" target="_blank" style="">nanog-bounces+mjosephson=inap.com@nanog.org</a>><span> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Kate Gerry<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday,
November 10, 2020 11:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span> </span>Matt Hoppes <<a href="mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net" target="_blank" style="">mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank" style="">nanog@nanog.org</a>
list <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank" style="">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re:
Phoenix-IX Contact</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I
am running on a huge assumption here, but
I think Phoenix-IX runs on donated
infrastructure. From what I recall, there
was only an NRC to join Phoenix-IX.</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">And
in regards to Walt's suggestion, it looks
like HE already started one with Stellar
Technologies. <a href="https://48ix.net/" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://48ix.net</a> but
it is only in a single facility. So until
that IX grows, both in peers and
footprint, I'm stuck on Phoenix-IX.</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I
have wondered what happens if a
participant storms the IX. Will somebody
appear? Because attempts to reach their
NOC/peering handles has resulted in a lack
of response.</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I
also wonder how the other Ninja-IX
exchanges are running, I haven't heard
anything about them, is there the same
lack of communication? Or do those have a
local staff?</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On
Nov 10, 2020, at 06:15, Matt Hoppes
<<a href="mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">How
is the IX still running? Surely
someone must be paying colo rent?<br>
<br>
On 11/10/20 9:03 AM, Eric Kuhnke
wrote:<br>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Always
a good time for network
operators to consider the risks
of having any one person as a
single point of failure for
something kind of important:<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor</a><br>
Disaster recovery and continuity
of business plans should always
include the concept of what if
some percentage of the key team
members were to be suddenly
unavailable permanently (the
Malaysian airline incident, for
example).<br>
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM
Kate Gerry <<a href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">kgerry@outlook.com
<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
Is there anybody else even
there? I thought that it was all
Paul's show!<br>
If I was able to (as in, had
access to), I would offer to
help/run<br>
with the IX. I may live in
California, but it's a realistic
car trip<br>
back and forth to Phoenix.<br>
--<br>
Kate<br>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> On
Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike
Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:nanog@ics-il.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">nanog@ics-il.net<br>
<mailto:nanog@ics-il.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Paul's LinkedIn seems to
show that he checked out in
April. Let me<br>
know if you have any
success reaching anyone there.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-----<br>
Mike Hammett<br>
Intelligent Computing
Solutions <<a href="http://www.ics-il.com/" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com/</a>><br>
<<a href="https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL</a>><<a href="https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb</a>><<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions</a>><<a href="https://twitter.com/ICSIL" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/ICSIL</a>><br>
Midwest Internet Exchange
<<a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com/" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://www.midwest-ix.com/</a>><br>
<<a href="https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix</a>><<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange</a>><<a href="https://twitter.com/mdwestix" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/mdwestix</a>><br>
The Brothers WISP <<a href="http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/</a>><br>
<<a href="https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp</a>><<a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg</a>><br>
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*From:*"Kate Gerry" <<a href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">kgerry@outlook.com
<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com</a>>><br>
*To:*"Bill Woodcock" <<a href="mailto:woody@pch.net%20%3cmailto:woody@pch.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">woody@pch.net
<mailto:woody@pch.net</a>>><br>
*Cc:*<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank" style="">nanog@nanog.org</a>
<<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mailto:nanog@nanog.org</a>><br>
*Sent:*Monday, November 9,
2020 5:44:42 PM<br>
*Subject:*Re: Phoenix-IX
Contact<br>
<br>
Just a heads-up, I never
heard a word from anybody at
Phoenix-IX.<br>
<br>
Is there anybody still
running the IX? Or is it just
on autopilot?<br>
It'd be nice if anybody had
some information on whatever
happened<br>
to Paul. Hopefully he is
okay!<br>
<br>
--<br>
Kate<br>
<br>
On Sep 14, 2020, at
13:33, Kate Gerry <<a href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">kgerry@outlook.com<br>
<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Thank Bill! I've been
trying to reach Paul for ages
now,<br>
hopefully he pops back
up again. We want to upgrade.<br>
<br>
On an unrelated note,
it looks like somebody has
their ticket<br>
system subscribed to
the list... Awesome.<br>
<br>
*From: *Dating
Support <<a href="mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">dating.support@csvwebsupport.com<br>
<mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com</a>>><br>
*Subject:
**[#WQV-291-95071]: Phoenix-IX
Contact*<br>
*Date: *September
14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT<br>
*To:<span> </span><a href="mailto:*kgerry@outlook.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">*kgerry@outlook.com</a><span> </span><<a href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mailto:kgerry@outlook.com</a>><br>
*Reply-To:<span> </span><a href="mailto:*dating.support@csvwebsupport.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">*dating.support@csvwebsupport.com</a><br>
<<a href="mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com</a>><br>
<br>
Kate Gerry,<br>
<br>
Thank you for
contacting us. This is an
automated response<br>
confirming the
receipt of your ticket. Our
team will get<br>
back to you within
24 hours.<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Kate<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sep 14, 2020, at
12:48, Bill Woodcock <<a href="mailto:woody@pch.net%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:woody@pch.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">woody@pch.net<br>
<mailto:woody@pch.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sep 14,
2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry<br>
<<a href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">kgerry@outlook.com
<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Does anybody
have a contact who works at
Phoenix-IX? I<br>
have been
attempting to reach somebody
there for a<br>
while now
without any luck.<br>
<br>
Attempts to
each out<span> </span><a href="mailto:topeering@phoenix-ix.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">topeering@phoenix-ix.net</a><br>
<<a href="mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net</a>>as
well as Ninja-IX<br>
have been
without any luck. We also
tried reaching out<br>
to Paul Emmons
via LinkedIn mail and never
received a<br>
response.<br>
<br>
<br>
Paul is the correct
person.<br>
<br>
-Bill</div>
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