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            <td>Re: Phoenix-IX Contact</td>
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            <td>Mon, 16 Nov 2020 13:15:34 -0700</td>
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            <td>Paul Emmons <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:paul@iosaz.net"><paul@iosaz.net></a></td>
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            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org">nanog@nanog.org</a></td>
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      <p>Hello All!</p>
      <p>I've been out of the loop here and but have some updates.</p>
      <p>There was a change last spring and I moved on to other
        projects.  But that hasn't worked out for the IX.  <br>
      </p>
      <p>I  have regained access to all of the elements, including the
        email and voip.  Let me reach out to each of you offline in the
        coming days.</p>
      <p>I have been able to reach out to a few locals that are willing
        to help get the project back up to where it needs to be.</p>
      <p>If I haven;t reached out to you in the next 48 hours or you
        have something urgent, please reach out to me here (my personal
        email) or via the Phoenix-IX Contacts</p>
      <p><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
          href="mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net" moz-do-not-send="true">peering@phoenix-ix.net</a></p>
      <p>+1 602 688-6414<br>
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      ~Paul Emmons
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/16/2020 12:23 PM, Neil Hanlon
        wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">While I agree it is objectively irresponsible
            to abandon a project without passing it to another, I think
            that possibly in this situation we don't know all the
            details?
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            <div>2020 has been a difficult year for everyone. Perhaps
              Paul (and whomever else may be responsible for Phoenix-IX)
              were subject to things this year beyond their control
              which led them to be unable to work on the project and
              unable to transfer it, either.. unfortunate, yes.. but not
              malicious surely.</div>
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            <div>If Paul _is_ reading these messages.. I think support
              is the best path forward.. If there are things that can be
              done to assist/take over the IX... maybe that would help
              (as you, Kate, had offered towards the beginning of this
              all). Though of course, the first step is _reaching_
              them... Maybe this can be turned into a "win" for
              everyone. So: Paul/Phoenix-IX -- let the NANOG community
              know how they/we can help.</div>
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            <div>--</div>
            <div>Neil</div>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at
              2:05 PM Kate Gerry <<a href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com"
                moz-do-not-send="true">kgerry@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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              <div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">An update on my
                side, we reached out to PhoenixNAP, one of the
                Phoenix-IX's vendors.
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                <div>PhoenixNAP reached out all of their contacts at
                  Phoenix-IX and have received no response. They are in
                  as much of the dark as the rest of us. I feel like I'm
                  on the Ghost ship Phoenix-IX.</div>
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                <div>What I don't understand, is how somebody could
                  abandon a project without passing it to another person
                  or entity. This is extremely irresponsible.</div>
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                        <div>On Nov 12, 2020, at 05:11, Marcus Josephson
                          <<a href="mailto:mjosephson@inap.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mjosephson@inap.com</a>>
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                            <div style="margin:0in 0in
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                              tried to get a link to PHX-IX for months.
                              Never heard back from them, went with
                              Digital Realty Phoenix</div>
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                                  <<a
                                    href="mailto:nanog-bounces+mjosephson=inap.com@nanog.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">nanog-bounces+mjosephson=inap.com@nanog.org</a>><span> </span><b>On
                                    Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Kate
                                  Gerry<br>
                                  <b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday,
                                  November 10, 2020 11:06 AM<br>
                                  <b>To:</b><span> </span>Matt Hoppes
                                  <<a
                                    href="mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net</a>><br>
                                  <b>Cc:</b><span> </span><a
                                    href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">nanog@nanog.org</a>
                                  list <<a
                                    href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br>
                                  <b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re:
                                  Phoenix-IX Contact</div>
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                              <div style="margin:0in 0in
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                                am running on a huge assumption here,
                                but I think Phoenix-IX runs on donated
                                infrastructure. From what I recall,
                                there was only an NRC to join
                                Phoenix-IX.</div>
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                              <div style="margin:0in 0in
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                                in regards to Walt's suggestion, it
                                looks like HE already started one with
                                Stellar Technologies. <a
                                  href="https://48ix.net/"
                                  style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://48ix.net</a> but
                                it is only in a single facility. So
                                until that IX grows, both in peers and
                                footprint, I'm stuck on Phoenix-IX.</div>
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                                have wondered what happens if a
                                participant storms the IX. Will somebody
                                appear? Because attempts to reach their
                                NOC/peering handles has resulted in a
                                lack of response.</div>
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                                also wonder how the other Ninja-IX
                                exchanges are running, I haven't heard
                                anything about them, is there the same
                                lack of communication? Or do those have
                                a local staff?</div>
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                                      Nov 10, 2020, at 06:15, Matt
                                      Hoppes <<a
                                        href="mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net</a>>
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                                      <div style="margin:0in 0in
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                                        is the IX still running?  Surely
                                        someone must be paying colo
                                        rent?<br>
                                        <br>
                                        On 11/10/20 9:03 AM, Eric Kuhnke
                                        wrote:<br>
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                                        <div style="margin:0in 0in
                                          0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Always
                                          a good time for network
                                          operators to consider the
                                          risks of having any one person
                                          as a single point of failure
                                          for something kind of
                                          important:<br>
                                          <a
                                            href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor</a><br>
                                          Disaster recovery and
                                          continuity of business plans
                                          should always include the
                                          concept of what if some
                                          percentage of the key team
                                          members were to be suddenly
                                          unavailable permanently (the
                                          Malaysian airline incident,
                                          for example).<br>
                                          On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM
                                          Kate Gerry <<a
                                            href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">kgerry@outlook.com
<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
                                             Is there anybody else even
                                          there? I thought that it was
                                          all Paul's show!<br>
                                             If I was able to (as in,
                                          had access to), I would offer
                                          to help/run<br>
                                             with the IX. I may live in
                                          California, but it's a
                                          realistic car trip<br>
                                             back and forth to Phoenix.<br>
                                             --<br>
                                             Kate<br>
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                                            Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike
                                            Hammett <<a
href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:nanog@ics-il.net"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">nanog@ics-il.net<br>
   <mailto:nanog@ics-il.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
                                            <br>
                                               Paul's LinkedIn seems to
                                            show that he checked out in
                                            April. Let me<br>
                                               know if you have any
                                            success reaching anyone
                                            there.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                               -----<br>
                                               Mike Hammett<br>
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                                               *From:*"Kate Gerry" <<a
href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com"
                                              style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline"
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<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com</a>>><br>
                                               *To:*"Bill Woodcock" <<a
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                                               *Cc:*<a
                                              href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">nanog@nanog.org</a>
                                            <<a
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                                               *Sent:*Monday, November
                                            9, 2020 5:44:42 PM<br>
                                               *Subject:*Re: Phoenix-IX
                                            Contact<br>
                                            <br>
                                               Just a heads-up, I never
                                            heard a word from anybody at
                                            Phoenix-IX.<br>
                                            <br>
                                               Is there anybody still
                                            running the IX? Or is it
                                            just on autopilot?<br>
                                               It'd be nice if anybody
                                            had some information on
                                            whatever happened<br>
                                               to Paul. Hopefully he is
                                            okay!<br>
                                            <br>
                                               --<br>
                                               Kate<br>
                                            <br>
                                                   On Sep 14, 2020, at
                                            13:33, Kate Gerry <<a
href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com"
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                                              moz-do-not-send="true">kgerry@outlook.com<br>
       <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
                                            <br>
                                                   Thank Bill! I've been
                                            trying to reach Paul for
                                            ages now,<br>
                                                   hopefully he pops
                                            back up again. We want to
                                            upgrade.<br>
                                            <br>
                                                   On an unrelated note,
                                            it looks like somebody has
                                            their ticket<br>
                                                   system subscribed to
                                            the list... Awesome.<br>
                                            <br>
                                                       *From: *Dating
                                            Support <<a
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           <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com</a>>><br>
                                                       *Subject:
                                            **[#WQV-291-95071]:
                                            Phoenix-IX Contact*<br>
                                                       *Date: *September
                                            14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT<br>
                                                       *To:<span> </span><a
href="mailto:*kgerry@outlook.com"
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                                              target="_blank"
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href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com"
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                                              target="_blank"
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                                                       *Reply-To:<span> </span><a
href="mailto:*dating.support@csvwebsupport.com"
                                              style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">*dating.support@csvwebsupport.com</a><br>
                                                       <<a
                                              href="mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com"
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                                            <br>
                                                       Kate Gerry,<br>
                                            <br>
                                                       Thank you for
                                            contacting us. This is an
                                            automated response<br>
                                                       confirming the
                                            receipt of your ticket. Our
                                            team will get<br>
                                                       back to you
                                            within 24 hours.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                                   --<br>
                                                   Kate<br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                                       On Sep 14, 2020,
                                            at 12:48, Bill Woodcock <<a
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                                              moz-do-not-send="true">woody@pch.net<br>
           <mailto:woody@pch.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                                           On Sep 14,
                                            2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry<br>
                                                           <<a
                                              href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">kgerry@outlook.com
<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
                                            <br>
                                                           Does anybody
                                            have a contact who works at
                                            Phoenix-IX? I<br>
                                                           have been
                                            attempting to reach somebody
                                            there for a<br>
                                                           while now
                                            without any luck.<br>
                                            <br>
                                                           Attempts to
                                            each out<span> </span><a
                                              href="mailto:topeering@phoenix-ix.net"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">topeering@phoenix-ix.net</a><br>
                                                           <<a
                                              href="mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net</a>>as
                                            well as Ninja-IX<br>
                                                           have been
                                            without any luck. We also
                                            tried reaching out<br>
                                                           to Paul
                                            Emmons via LinkedIn mail and
                                            never received a<br>
                                                           response.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                                       Paul is the
                                            correct person.<br>
                                            <br>
                                          -Bill</div>
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