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<p>Hello All!</p>
<p>I've been out of the loop here and but have some updates.</p>
<p>There was a change last spring and I moved on to other
projects. But that hasn't worked out for the IX. <br>
</p>
<p>I have regained access to all of the elements, including the
email and voip. Let me reach out to each of you offline in the
coming days.</p>
<p>I have been able to reach out to a few locals that are willing
to help get the project back up to where it needs to be.</p>
<p>If I haven;t reached out to you in the next 48 hours or you
have something urgent, please reach out to me here (my personal
email) or via the Phoenix-IX Contacts</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net" moz-do-not-send="true">peering@phoenix-ix.net</a></p>
<p>+1 602 688-6414<br>
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~Paul Emmons
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/16/2020 12:23 PM, Neil Hanlon
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<div dir="ltr">While I agree it is objectively irresponsible
to abandon a project without passing it to another, I think
that possibly in this situation we don't know all the
details?
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<div>2020 has been a difficult year for everyone. Perhaps
Paul (and whomever else may be responsible for Phoenix-IX)
were subject to things this year beyond their control
which led them to be unable to work on the project and
unable to transfer it, either.. unfortunate, yes.. but not
malicious surely.</div>
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<div>If Paul _is_ reading these messages.. I think support
is the best path forward.. If there are things that can be
done to assist/take over the IX... maybe that would help
(as you, Kate, had offered towards the beginning of this
all). Though of course, the first step is _reaching_
them... Maybe this can be turned into a "win" for
everyone. So: Paul/Phoenix-IX -- let the NANOG community
know how they/we can help.</div>
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<div>--</div>
<div>Neil</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at
2:05 PM Kate Gerry <<a href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com"
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<div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">An update on my
side, we reached out to PhoenixNAP, one of the
Phoenix-IX's vendors.
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<div>PhoenixNAP reached out all of their contacts at
Phoenix-IX and have received no response. They are in
as much of the dark as the rest of us. I feel like I'm
on the Ghost ship Phoenix-IX.</div>
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<div>What I don't understand, is how somebody could
abandon a project without passing it to another person
or entity. This is extremely irresponsible.</div>
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<div>On Nov 12, 2020, at 05:11, Marcus Josephson
<<a href="mailto:mjosephson@inap.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mjosephson@inap.com</a>>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in
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tried to get a link to PHX-IX for months.
Never heard back from them, went with
Digital Realty Phoenix</div>
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<<a
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target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">nanog-bounces+mjosephson=inap.com@nanog.org</a>><span> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Kate
Gerry<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday,
November 10, 2020 11:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span> </span>Matt Hoppes
<<a
href="mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span> </span><a
href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">nanog@nanog.org</a>
list <<a
href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re:
Phoenix-IX Contact</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in
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am running on a huge assumption here,
but I think Phoenix-IX runs on donated
infrastructure. From what I recall,
there was only an NRC to join
Phoenix-IX.</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">And
in regards to Walt's suggestion, it
looks like HE already started one with
Stellar Technologies. <a
href="https://48ix.net/"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://48ix.net</a> but
it is only in a single facility. So
until that IX grows, both in peers and
footprint, I'm stuck on Phoenix-IX.</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in
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have wondered what happens if a
participant storms the IX. Will somebody
appear? Because attempts to reach their
NOC/peering handles has resulted in a
lack of response.</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I
also wonder how the other Ninja-IX
exchanges are running, I haven't heard
anything about them, is there the same
lack of communication? Or do those have
a local staff?</div>
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Nov 10, 2020, at 06:15, Matt
Hoppes <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net</a>>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in
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is the IX still running? Surely
someone must be paying colo
rent?<br>
<br>
On 11/10/20 9:03 AM, Eric Kuhnke
wrote:<br>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Always
a good time for network
operators to consider the
risks of having any one person
as a single point of failure
for something kind of
important:<br>
<a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor</a><br>
Disaster recovery and
continuity of business plans
should always include the
concept of what if some
percentage of the key team
members were to be suddenly
unavailable permanently (the
Malaysian airline incident,
for example).<br>
On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM
Kate Gerry <<a
href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">kgerry@outlook.com
<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
Is there anybody else even
there? I thought that it was
all Paul's show!<br>
If I was able to (as in,
had access to), I would offer
to help/run<br>
with the IX. I may live in
California, but it's a
realistic car trip<br>
back and forth to Phoenix.<br>
--<br>
Kate<br>
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Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike
Hammett <<a
href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:nanog@ics-il.net"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">nanog@ics-il.net<br>
<mailto:nanog@ics-il.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Paul's LinkedIn seems to
show that he checked out in
April. Let me<br>
know if you have any
success reaching anyone
there.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-----<br>
Mike Hammett<br>
Intelligent Computing
Solutions <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.ics-il.com/</a>><br>
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target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange</a>><<a
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*From:*"Kate Gerry" <<a
href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline"
target="_blank"
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<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com</a>>><br>
*To:*"Bill Woodcock" <<a
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style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline"
target="_blank"
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<mailto:woody@pch.net</a>>><br>
*Cc:*<a
href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">nanog@nanog.org</a>
<<a
href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:nanog@nanog.org</a>><br>
*Sent:*Monday, November
9, 2020 5:44:42 PM<br>
*Subject:*Re: Phoenix-IX
Contact<br>
<br>
Just a heads-up, I never
heard a word from anybody at
Phoenix-IX.<br>
<br>
Is there anybody still
running the IX? Or is it
just on autopilot?<br>
It'd be nice if anybody
had some information on
whatever happened<br>
to Paul. Hopefully he is
okay!<br>
<br>
--<br>
Kate<br>
<br>
On Sep 14, 2020, at
13:33, Kate Gerry <<a
href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">kgerry@outlook.com<br>
<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Thank Bill! I've been
trying to reach Paul for
ages now,<br>
hopefully he pops
back up again. We want to
upgrade.<br>
<br>
On an unrelated note,
it looks like somebody has
their ticket<br>
system subscribed to
the list... Awesome.<br>
<br>
*From: *Dating
Support <<a
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*Subject:
**[#WQV-291-95071]:
Phoenix-IX Contact*<br>
*Date: *September
14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT<br>
*To:<span> </span><a
href="mailto:*kgerry@outlook.com"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">*kgerry@outlook.com</a><span> </span><<a
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target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:kgerry@outlook.com</a>><br>
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<br>
Kate Gerry,<br>
<br>
Thank you for
contacting us. This is an
automated response<br>
confirming the
receipt of your ticket. Our
team will get<br>
back to you
within 24 hours.<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Kate<br>
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<br>
On Sep 14, 2020,
at 12:48, Bill Woodcock <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">woody@pch.net<br>
<mailto:woody@pch.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
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On Sep 14,
2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry<br>
<<a
href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">kgerry@outlook.com
<mailto:kgerry@outlook.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Does anybody
have a contact who works at
Phoenix-IX? I<br>
have been
attempting to reach somebody
there for a<br>
while now
without any luck.<br>
<br>
Attempts to
each out<span> </span><a
href="mailto:topeering@phoenix-ix.net"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">topeering@phoenix-ix.net</a><br>
<<a
href="mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net"
style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net</a>>as
well as Ninja-IX<br>
have been
without any luck. We also
tried reaching out<br>
to Paul
Emmons via LinkedIn mail and
never received a<br>
response.<br>
<br>
<br>
Paul is the
correct person.<br>
<br>
-Bill</div>
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