<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">An update on my side, we reached out to PhoenixNAP, one of the Phoenix-IX's vendors.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">PhoenixNAP reached out all of their contacts at Phoenix-IX and have received no response. They are in as much of the dark as the rest of us. I feel like I'm on the Ghost ship Phoenix-IX.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What I don't understand, is how somebody could abandon a project without passing it to another person or entity. This is extremely irresponsible.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 12, 2020, at 05:11, Marcus Josephson <<a href="mailto:mjosephson@inap.com" class="">mjosephson@inap.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I tried to get a link to PHX-IX for months. Never heard back from them, went with Digital Realty Phoenix<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>NANOG <<a href="mailto:nanog-bounces+mjosephson=inap.com@nanog.org" class="">nanog-bounces+mjosephson=inap.com@nanog.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Kate Gerry<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, November 10, 2020 11:06 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Matt Hoppes <<a href="mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net" class="">mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" class="">nanog@nanog.org</a> list <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" class="">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Phoenix-IX Contact<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Matt,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I am running on a huge assumption here, but I think Phoenix-IX runs on donated infrastructure. From what I recall, there was only an NRC to join Phoenix-IX.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">And in regards to Walt's suggestion, it looks like HE already started one with Stellar Technologies. <a href="https://48ix.net/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://48ix.net</a> but it is only in a single facility. So until that IX grows, both in peers and footprint, I'm stuck on Phoenix-IX.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I have wondered what happens if a participant storms the IX. Will somebody appear? Because attempts to reach their NOC/peering handles has resulted in a lack of response.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I also wonder how the other Ninja-IX exchanges are running, I haven't heard anything about them, is there the same lack of communication? Or do those have a local staff?<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">—<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Kate<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Nov 10, 2020, at 06:15, Matt Hoppes <<a href="mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">How is the IX still running? Surely someone must be paying colo rent?<br class=""><br class="">On 11/10/20 9:03 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Always a good time for network operators to consider the risks of having any one person as a single point of failure for something kind of important:<br class=""><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor</a><br class="">Disaster recovery and continuity of business plans should always include the concept of what if some percentage of the key team members were to be suddenly unavailable permanently (the Malaysian airline incident, for example).<br class="">On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:08 PM Kate Gerry <<a href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com</a>>> wrote:<br class=""> Is there anybody else even there? I thought that it was all Paul's show!<br class=""> If I was able to (as in, had access to), I would offer to help/run<br class=""> with the IX. I may live in California, but it's a realistic car trip<br class=""> back and forth to Phoenix.<br class=""> --<br class=""> Kate<br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> On Nov 9, 2020, at 17:58, Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:nanog@ics-il.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nanog@ics-il.net<br class=""> <mailto:nanog@ics-il.net</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""> Paul's LinkedIn seems to show that he checked out in April. Let me<br class=""> know if you have any success reaching anyone there.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> -----<br class=""> Mike Hammett<br class=""> Intelligent Computing Solutions <<a href="http://www.ics-il.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.ics-il.com/</a>><br class=""> <<a href="https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL</a>><<a href="https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb</a>><<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions</a>><<a href="https://twitter.com/ICSIL" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://twitter.com/ICSIL</a>><br class=""> Midwest Internet Exchange <<a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.midwest-ix.com/</a>><br class=""> <<a href="https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix</a>><<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange</a>><<a href="https://twitter.com/mdwestix" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://twitter.com/mdwestix</a>><br class=""> The Brothers WISP <<a href="http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/</a>><br class=""> <<a href="https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp</a>><<a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg</a>><br class=""> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br class=""> *From:*"Kate Gerry" <<a href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com</a>>><br class=""> *To:*"Bill Woodcock" <<a href="mailto:woody@pch.net%20%3cmailto:woody@pch.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">woody@pch.net <mailto:woody@pch.net</a>>><br class=""> *Cc:*<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" class="">nanog@nanog.org</a> <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:nanog@nanog.org</a>><br class=""> *Sent:*Monday, November 9, 2020 5:44:42 PM<br class=""> *Subject:*Re: Phoenix-IX Contact<br class=""><br class=""> Just a heads-up, I never heard a word from anybody at Phoenix-IX.<br class=""><br class=""> Is there anybody still running the IX? Or is it just on autopilot?<br class=""> It'd be nice if anybody had some information on whatever happened<br class=""> to Paul. Hopefully he is okay!<br class=""><br class=""> --<br class=""> Kate<br class=""><br class=""> On Sep 14, 2020, at 13:33, Kate Gerry <<a href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">kgerry@outlook.com<br class=""> <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""> Thank Bill! I've been trying to reach Paul for ages now,<br class=""> hopefully he pops back up again. We want to upgrade.<br class=""><br class=""> On an unrelated note, it looks like somebody has their ticket<br class=""> system subscribed to the list... Awesome.<br class=""><br class=""> *From: *Dating Support <<a href="mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">dating.support@csvwebsupport.com<br class=""> <mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com</a>>><br class=""> *Subject: **[#WQV-291-95071]: Phoenix-IX Contact*<br class=""> *Date: *September 14, 2020 at 12:43:20 PDT<br class=""> *To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:*kgerry@outlook.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">*kgerry@outlook.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:kgerry@outlook.com</a>><br class=""> *Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:*dating.support@csvwebsupport.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">*dating.support@csvwebsupport.com</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:dating.support@csvwebsupport.com</a>><br class=""><br class=""> Kate Gerry,<br class=""><br class=""> Thank you for contacting us. This is an automated response<br class=""> confirming the receipt of your ticket. Our team will get<br class=""> back to you within 24 hours.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> --<br class=""> Kate<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> On Sep 14, 2020, at 12:48, Bill Woodcock <<a href="mailto:woody@pch.net%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%3cmailto:woody@pch.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">woody@pch.net<br class=""> <mailto:woody@pch.net</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> On Sep 14, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Kate Gerry<br class=""> <<a href="mailto:kgerry@outlook.com%20%3cmailto:kgerry@outlook.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">kgerry@outlook.com <mailto:kgerry@outlook.com</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""> Does anybody have a contact who works at Phoenix-IX? I<br class=""> have been attempting to reach somebody there for a<br class=""> while now without any luck.<br class=""><br class=""> Attempts to each out<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:topeering@phoenix-ix.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">topeering@phoenix-ix.net</a><br class=""> <<a href="mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:peering@phoenix-ix.net</a>>as well as Ninja-IX<br class=""> have been without any luck. We also tried reaching out<br class=""> to Paul Emmons via LinkedIn mail and never received a<br class=""> response.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""> Paul is the correct person.<br class=""><br class=""> -Bill</div></blockquote></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></body></html>