> There is other venues to work this out<div>> "safely", IMHO.<br>></div><div>I started this effort for safeguards in July 2007. Until 2018, I did exactly what you mention. The FCC's Office of Engineeting and Technology in 2015 has been the only government agency that replied to my email query on jurisdiction stating the FCC does not regulate/enforce negative improvisation of outdoor high power wireless transmitters. By 2018, I had collected sufficient supporting data that was burdensome to send via email and absent response of multiple governments to address this significant gap in rule of law prompted me to put up the website competitionunlimited on Wordpress.</div><div><br></div><div>If some institution innumerable to count had agreed to investigate, I would be very content writing code for commercial data communication systems which is what took me to the U.S. in 1994. During my overseas deployments with the U.S. Army National Guard, my reports to higher regarding vulnerabilities was consistently met with unambiguous response/acknowledgement indicating my concern is being investigated. Since I have not had that benefit from civilian organizations, I finally reasoned that common awareness reduces the element of surprise from an incognito perpetrator.</div><div><br></div><div>Please note that I have wrestled with "Maybe someone is just looking for "inspiration"" for almost 13 years before bringing this to your collective notice today.</div><div><br></div><div>On Wednesday, November 4, 2020, Alain Hebert <<a href="mailto:ahebert@pubnix.net">ahebert@pubnix.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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        Maybe someone is just looking for "inspiration".<br>
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        There is other venues to work this out "safely", IMHO.<br>
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          On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 10:48 AM Suresh Kalkunte <<a href="mailto:sskalkunte@gmail.com" target="_blank">sskalkunte@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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            <div>I believe the below described method of causing
              intentional (1) damage to equipment in data centers and
              (2) physical injury to a person at the workplace is
              on-topic for the NANOG community, if not, I look forward
              to your feedback. As a software developer who has
              subscribed to the NANOG mailing list for a number of
              years, I post this note relying on intellectual honesty
              that I have had the opportunity to observe since 1996-97.</div>
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            <div>The below described technology risk is applicable to
              computing/communication equipment rendered vulnerable by
              Intentional Electromagnetic Interference (jamming an
              electronic device) and the risk of health sabotage
              affecting people (jamming a human) managing the Internet
              infrastructure enabled by intentional application of
              powerful radiofrequency fields (RF) emitted by re-purposed
              components salvaged from a kitchen heating appliance
              (Magnetron) or from an outdoor high gain/power Line of
              sight transceiver (unidirectional microwave radio) which
              has a harm causing range up to 25 meters (estimated using
              a Spectral Power Density calculator like <a href="http://www.hintlink.com/power_density.htm" target="_blank">www.hintlink.com/power_<wbr>density.htm</a>).</div>
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            <div>This risk from mis-application of powerful RF is from
              human operated or IoT apparatus** with an avenue of
              approch from (a) subterrain placement aided by a
              compact/mini directional horizontal drilling machine (eg.
              principle of placing a stent in the heart) and/or (b)
              strategic placement in an obscure over-surface location to
              maximize negative impact on the target of opportunity.</div>
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            <div>With building materials or ground offer insufficient*
              protection to block the passage of powerful RF and the
              absence of diagnostic/forensic tests to detect biomarkers
              expressed post-overexposure to harmful RF  (combination of
              RF frequency, Spectral Power Density/Specific Absorption
              Rate incident on a person and duration of exposure),
              intentional damage to electronic equipment and people is
              at present unrestricted.</div>
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            <div>The purpose of bringing this method of exploting
              technology to your attention is with an interest to build
              the momentum for ushering in the much needed safeguards in
              this context.</div>
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          <div>While I'm a bit confused as to what this message is
            trying to ultimately get at, it should be noted that folks
            who work with RF communications equipment and other EM
            emitters which are strong enough to cause harm to a person
            are generally well aware of the necessary precautions and
            take them on a day to day basis when working with this
            equipment. If there's evidence that some part of our
            industry is ignoring or failing to train their team members
            on safety best practices, then let's hear that out
            specifically and I'm all for working to rectify that. </div>
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          <div>On the other hand, the post seems to hint at
            intentionally using high powered RF to inflict intentional
            harm on a person or to jam communications signals. The
            former is relatively difficult to do by virtue of the amount
            of power necessary. Quite basically, there are much easier
            ways to go about injuring someone if that's what you want to
            do. Of course, intentionally injuring another person is a
            criminal act in just about every jurisdiction. As far as the
            latter goes, the ability to jam RF communications has
            existed for as long as RF communication has, and the
            knowledge of how to accomplish it is relatively widespread.
            It is also illegal in the US and most likely many other
            jurisdictions as well, and in the US the FCC has enforcement
            power with the ability to levy some pretty hefty fines on
            anyone who does so, even inadvertently though negligent
            practices. </div>
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          <div>The post states that their intention is to "build the
            momentum for ushering in the much needed safeguards in this
            context." but lacks specificity with regard to what
            safeguards they propose beyond the legal/regulatory ones
            that already exist, so I'm not sure what more can really be
            said here. </div>
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