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</b>"Michael Spears" <Michael@spears.io><br><b>Cc: </b>"Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>, "Aaron Gould" <aaron1@gvtc.com>, nanog@nanog.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:23:28 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: Hurricane Electric AS6939<br><br><div dir="auto">Depending on transport costs, it may be cheaper to just use HE at a datacenter he's already in vs going to a datacenter he's not in currently.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">HE has 10G of transit for as low as $900 right now. If 10G of transport from him to an IX is more than that, there's no financial incentive to peer instead of buy more transit. Since HE peers with everyone on most IX's, he is essentially paying HE for full routes plus peering to the same IX he would go to anyway. It's lower cost and you kill two birds with one stone. I understand the desire to have your own connection to an IX but having HE in the mix is basically like peering direct since they're everywhere in nearly every IX. The other upside is you don't need to waste time trying to establish bilateral peering sessions with providers who don't peer with the route servers. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 8:09 AM Michael Spears <<a href="mailto:michael@spears.io" target="_blank">michael@spears.io</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yep. Get on some IXes first. You’d be able to offload a ton of traffic to free peering, vs sending everything via the transit you pay for.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> NANOG <nanog-bounces+michael=<a href="mailto:spears.io@nanog.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">spears.io@nanog.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Hammett<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 13, 2020 8:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Aaron Gould <<a href="mailto:aaron1@gvtc.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">aaron1@gvtc.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nanog@nanog.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Hurricane Electric AS6939<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nanog@nanog.org</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, October 13, 2020 6:29:55 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Hurricane Electric AS6939<br>
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Do y’all like HE for Internet uplink? I’m thinking about using them for 100gig in Texas. It would be for my eyeballs ISP. We currently have Spectrum, Telia and Cogent.<br>
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