<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">Call of Duty seems to be especially problematic. </div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 27, 2020, at 2:45 PM, info--- via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Not every game are made the same or use the same network engine. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Which games on PS4 are more problematic in your opinion?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Jean<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> NANOG <nanog-bounces+jean=ddostest.me@nanog.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Matt Hoppes<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 27, 2020 2:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> Darin Steffl <darin.steffl@mnwifi.com><br><b>Cc:</b> North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Gaming Consoles and IPv4<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">I understand that. But there’s a host of reasons why that night not work - two devices trying to use UPNP behind the same PAT device, an apartment complex or hotel WiFi system, etc. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Sep 27, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Darin Steffl <<a href="mailto:darin.steffl@mnwifi.com">darin.steffl@mnwifi.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">This isn't rocket science.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Give each customer their own ipv4 IP address and turn on upnp, then they will have open NAT to play their game and host. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 12:50 PM Matt Hoppes <<a href="mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net">mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal">I know the solution is always “IPv6”, but I’m curious if anyone here knows why gaming consoles are so stupid when it comes to IPv4? <br><br>We have VoIP and video systems that work fine through multiple layers of PAT and NAT. Why do we still have gaming consoles, in 2020, that can’t find their way through a PAT system with STUN or other methods?<br><br>It seems like this should be a simple solution, why are we still opening ports or having systems that don’t work?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></body></html>