<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>Actually, uPNP is the only way to get two devices to work behind one public IP, at least with XBox 360s. 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style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Matt Hoppes" <mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net><br><b>To: </b>"Darin Steffl" <darin.steffl@mnwifi.com><br><b>Cc: </b>"North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, September 27, 2020 1:22:51 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: Gaming Consoles and IPv4<br><br><div dir="ltr">I understand that. But there’s a host of reasons why that night not work - two devices trying to use UPNP behind the same PAT device, an apartment complex or hotel WiFi system, etc. </div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote>On Sep 27, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Darin Steffl <darin.steffl@mnwifi.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">This isn't rocket science.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Give each customer their own ipv4 IP address and turn on upnp, then they will have open NAT to play their game and host. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 12:50 PM Matt Hoppes <<a href="mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net" target="_blank">mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I know the solution is always “IPv6”, but I’m curious if anyone here knows why gaming consoles are so stupid when it comes to IPv4? <br>
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We have VoIP and video systems that work fine through multiple layers of PAT and NAT. Why do we still have gaming consoles, in 2020, that can’t find their way through a PAT system with STUN or other methods?<br>
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It seems like this should be a simple solution, why are we still opening ports or having systems that don’t work?</blockquote></div>
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