<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">I understand that. But there’s a host of reasons why that night not work - two devices trying to use UPNP behind the same PAT device, an apartment complex or hotel WiFi system, etc. </div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Sep 27, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Darin Steffl <darin.steffl@mnwifi.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">This isn't rocket science.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Give each customer their own ipv4 IP address and turn on upnp, then they will have open NAT to play their game and host. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 12:50 PM Matt Hoppes <<a href="mailto:mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net">mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I know the solution is always “IPv6”, but I’m curious if anyone here knows why gaming consoles are so stupid when it comes to IPv4? <br>
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We have VoIP and video systems that work fine through multiple layers of PAT and NAT. Why do we still have gaming consoles, in 2020, that can’t find their way through a PAT system with STUN or other methods?<br>
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It seems like this should be a simple solution, why are we still opening ports or having systems that don’t work?</blockquote></div>
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