<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>I think people are making a distinction between the traditional way the PSTN works and direct interconnections\Neutral Tandem\Peerless\etc.<br><br><div><span name="x"></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>http://www.ics-il.com<br><br>Midwest-IX<br>http://www.midwest-ix.com<span name="x"></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Brandon Svec" <bsvec@teamonesolutions.com><br><b>To: </b>"North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, September 10, 2020 3:56:00 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: FCC: rulemaking on STIR/SHAKEN and Caller ID Authentication<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px">99%? If a phone number was used than the PSTN was used. The fact that SIP is involved in part or all of the call path is not very relevant except for peer-to-peer stuff like whatsapp, skype, signal, telegram, etc. (and even those don't use SIP, but I think you meant voip more than SIP specifically) Even some of those can use e.164 for part or all of the path.</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px">I do believe that if the robo call/scam/fraudulent call issue does not get resolved people may eventually start to give up and just use apps like that. Many probably have already. </span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><br></span></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><table width="300" border="0" style="font-size:12.8px"><tbody><tr><td style="font-family:"Courier New",Courier,monospace;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;padding-top:15px;padding-bottom:10px;border-top-style:solid;border-top-width:1px;border-top-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><strong><font color="#000000">Brandon Svec</font></strong><font color="#000000"> </font><font color="#000000"><br></font><b><a href="tel:15106862204" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">15106862204</a> voice|sms<br></b><span style="color:rgb(29,2,153)"><strong><a href="https://teamonesolutions.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">teamonesolutions.com</a></strong> </span></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:11 PM Michael Thomas <<a href="mailto:mike@mtcc.com" target="_blank">mike@mtcc.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
On 9/10/20 9:49 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:<br>
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> At this month's FCC rulemaking meeting, it will consider<br>
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> <a href="https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-announces-tentative-agenda-september-open-meeting-6" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-announces-tentative-agenda-september-open-meeting-6</a> <br>
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> Promoting Caller ID Authentication to Combat Spoofed Robocalls – The <br>
> Commission will consider a Report and Order that would continue its <br>
> work to implement the TRACED Act and promote the deployment of caller <br>
> ID authentication technology to combat spoofed robocalls.<br>
> (WC Docket No. 17-97)<br>
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So I have a question: what percentage of traffic in the US is really <br>
coming from the legacy PSTN? My understanding is that it's pretty low <br>
these days.<br>
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If that's true, it seems to me that this is a SIP problem, not an e.164 <br>
problem.<br>
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Mike<br>
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