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style="white-space:nowrap;color:#000001;font-size:14.67px;font-family:Calibri,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-align:left;"><tr style="font-size:14.67px;"><td style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,sans-serif;">We build and deliver end‑to‑end IT solutions.</td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div>On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 6:43 AM Eliot Lear via NANOG <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org">nanog@nanog.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>The positive is that it a small club can
establish ground rules for how they will handle various forms of
attacks, including BGP hijacking, DKIM, SPF, and other forms of
validation to identify fraudulent mail, etc. [...] They can
also very quickly spot new attack trends.</p></div></blockquote><div>In theory, but the current state of what's coming out of sendgrid implies otherwise. Once you get into that small club, it's just as hard to get kicked out, and unfortunately that means that if abuse, UCE, etc is coming from those hosts, they've got an even higher chance of hitting your inbox. So while in theory it might work the way you're thinking, in practice it hasn't because once you are in that club, a lot of the financial motivation to prevent abuse of your service - that is, inbox deliverability for your client base - goes away. That deliverability isn't likely to change for the negative on any scale that you care about once you're "in". But to be "in" you have to be at a huge scale. The small players are the ones who get hurt, and spam still gets through just fine only now via different means. </div><div><br></div><div>Also oligopolies in general are bad for everyone except the owners thereof and should be discouraged on principle. </div><div><br></div></div></div>
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