<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">If you have to have connectivity to them, you could always just instruct them not to announce your routes beyond their AS; paid peering, and announce through more reliable ASs such as 2914 and 1299. Many people do this. Otherwise, cut ties with them and save yourself the headaches. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 30, 2020, at 12:09, Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>An outage is what it is. I am not worried about outages. We have multiple transits to deal with that.</div><div><br></div><div>It is the keep announcing prefixes after withdrawal from peers and customers that is the huge problem here. That is killing all the effort and money I put into having redundancy. It is sabotage of my network after I cut the ties. I do not want to be a customer at an outlet who has a system that will do that. Luckily we do not currently have a contract and now they will have to convince me it is safe for me to make a contract with them. If that is impossible I guess I won't be getting a contract with them.</div><div><br></div><div>But I disagree in that it would be impossible. They need to make a good report telling exactly what went wrong and how they changed the design, so something like this can not happen again. The basic design of BGP is such that this should not happen easily if at all. They did something unwise. Did they make a route reflector based on a database or something?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Baldur</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 5:13 PM Mike Bolitho <<a href="mailto:mikebolitho@gmail.com">mikebolitho@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Exactly. And asking that they somehow prove this won't happen again is impossible.<br><br><div>- Mike Bolitho</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 8:10 AM Drew Weaver <<a href="mailto:drew.weaver@thenap.com" target="_blank">drew.weaver@thenap.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m not defending them but I am sure it isn’t intentional.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> NANOG <nanog-bounces+drew.weaver=<a href="mailto:thenap.com@nanog.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">thenap.com@nanog.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Baldur Norddahl<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 30, 2020 9:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Centurylink having a bad morning?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">How is that acceptable behaviour? I shall remember never to make a contract with these guys until they can prove that they won't advertise my prefixes after I pull them. Under any circumstances. <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">søn. 30. aug. 2020 15.14 skrev Joseph Jenkins <<a href="mailto:joe@breathe-underwater.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">joe@breathe-underwater.com</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Finally got through on their support line and spoke to level1. The only thing the tech could say was it was an issue with BGP route reflectors and it started about 3am(pacific). They were still trying to isolate the issue. I've tried failing
over my circuits and no go, the traffic just dies as L3 won't stop advertising my routes.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 5:21 AM Drew Weaver via NANOG <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hello,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Woke up this morning to a bunch of reports of issues with connectivity had to shut down some Level3/CTL connections to get it to return to normal.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As of right now their support portal won’t load:
<a href="https://www.centurylink.com/business/login/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.centurylink.com/business/login/</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Just wondering what others are seeing.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div></div>
</div></blockquote></body></html>