<div dir="ltr"><div>This is what happens when the design of 'god power' automation tools doesn't take into account the concept of blast radius. It might be more inconvenient to internally partition automated change management systems, but it can also limit the effect of automation tools gone awry. <br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.ibm.com/garage/method/practices/manage/practice_limited_blast_radius/">https://www.ibm.com/garage/method/practices/manage/practice_limited_blast_radius/</a></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://principlesofchaos.org/">https://principlesofchaos.org/</a></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 10:09 AM Baldur Norddahl <<a href="mailto:baldur.norddahl@gmail.com">baldur.norddahl@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>An outage is what it is. I am not worried about outages. We have multiple transits to deal with that.</div><div><br></div><div>It is the keep announcing prefixes after withdrawal from peers and customers that is the huge problem here. That is killing all the effort and money I put into having redundancy. It is sabotage of my network after I cut the ties. I do not want to be a customer at an outlet who has a system that will do that. Luckily we do not currently have a contract and now they will have to convince me it is safe for me to make a contract with them. If that is impossible I guess I won't be getting a contract with them.</div><div><br></div><div>But I disagree in that it would be impossible. They need to make a good report telling exactly what went wrong and how they changed the design, so something like this can not happen again. The basic design of BGP is such that this should not happen easily if at all. They did something unwise. Did they make a route reflector based on a database or something?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Baldur</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 5:13 PM Mike Bolitho <<a href="mailto:mikebolitho@gmail.com" target="_blank">mikebolitho@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Exactly. And asking that they somehow prove this won't happen again is impossible.<br><br><div>- Mike Bolitho</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 8:10 AM Drew Weaver <<a href="mailto:drew.weaver@thenap.com" target="_blank">drew.weaver@thenap.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Baldur Norddahl<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 30, 2020 9:28 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: Centurylink having a bad morning?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How is that acceptable behaviour? I shall remember never to make a contract with these guys until they can prove that they won't advertise my prefixes after I pull them. Under any circumstances. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Finally got through on their support line and spoke to level1. The only thing the tech could say was it was an issue with BGP route reflectors and it started about 3am(pacific). They were still trying to isolate the issue. I've tried failing
over my circuits and no go, the traffic just dies as L3 won't stop advertising my routes.<u></u><u></u></p>
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