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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">Classification:</span></b><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:blue">Internal</span></b><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks for the update. You have any backhauls, that is running over an L2 xconnect ? I’m facing issue only on the backhaul link over a l2vpn ckt. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Ta,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Tinka<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 16, 2020 8:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> nanog@nanog.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: BFD for long haul circuit<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 16/Jul/20 05:51, Harivishnu Abhilash wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Guys, I’m looking for recommendation regarding BFD timers that we can use for long haul circuit. RTT is roughly around 110 ms. In fact this is a l2vpn ckt provided by a telco.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Can you please advise the factors we can consider when setting the BFD timers (or any recommended values)? I have set 10 ms dead time but this is causing BFD to go down occasionally.
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">We run different intervals and multipliers depending on whether the connection is LAN or WAN.<br>
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For LAN (so within the same data centre), intervals are set to 150ms and multipliers are set to 3.<br>
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For WAN (any backbone regardless of latency), intervals are set to 250ms and multipliers are set to 5.<br>
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Since our network spans multiple countries and continents, we wanted a uniform value for the WAN side of things, so we don't have too many customized configurations. We found these settings to work well in mixed environments where implementations vary between
CPU and line card processing, and also to strike a balance between accuracy and false positives.<br>
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We've been running this on IOS XE, IOS XR and Junos platforms since 2014. The only issues we found were:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">BFD on LAG's on IOS XR platforms in a LAN environment don't work. A point-to-point mechanism is required, so we disabled it there. Junos and IOS XE have no problems running BFD on LAG's in LAN's,
so we have it on there. This is for within the data centre.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">BFDv6 on the MX does not run in hardware. Since IS-IS (for us) ties in BFD for link state event detection, a transient lack of CPU resources to service BFDv6 traffic will result in not only BFDv6
going down, but also the entire IS-IS protocol flapping on the assumption that a link event has occurred. So if you run BFDv6 alongside BFDv4, recommend that you disable BFDv6 until Juniper introduce hardware support for it on the MX (and I'm guessing all
other Junos platforms). We have an ER out for this since 2019, and we are told it should be appearing sometime between Q4'20 - 1H'21.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Syntax for BFD in Junos has changed to incorporate address families. So while the old syntax will commit, it will leave an annotation in the configuration about not being supported anymore. Recommend
you convert your Junos BFD configurations to IPv4 and IPv6 specificity, if you haven't already done so. I can't remember when this came into effect, but it likely was Junos 16. We are on Junos 17 now.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Our longest circuit point-to-point is 140ms (Cape Town - London). These settings have been running fine on there since Day 1 (IOS XR-to-IOS XR), and overall detection and re-convergence of IS-IS + LFA leaves
us happy and sleeping well at night.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Mark.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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