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<p>I do run the 7280SR2-48YC6, but I don't do VPLS or pseudowires on them right now so I can't help directly with that.</p>
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<p>Based on my experience with Arista so far, it'll be perfectly-well documented, just for a different platform, and in a blog post instead of in the user manual. :-(</p>
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<p>(Note to anyone from Arista lurking on the list: your User Manual sucks rocks because it's wildly incomplete. Please put some of the effort that goes into those EOS Central blog posts, into the manual instead.)</p>
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<p>As to the Juniper, I'm a client on a Juniper-based VPLS system, and the only thing it consistently intercepts is LLDP... which I'm actually OK with, mostly. Other BPDUs and other Ethernet protocols get passed through (that we've tested, so far). We have
heard of some feature limitations on the EX4650, no CCC is unfortunate. I don't have any experience with the QFX series as an operator or customer so can't comment.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; color:#44546A">Adam Thompson</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt; color:#44546A"><br>
Consultant, Infrastructure Services<br>
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100 - 135 Innovation Drive<br>
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8<br>
(204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only)<br>
<a href="mailto:athompson@merlin.mb.ca" id="LPNoLP"><span style="color:#44546A">athompson@merlin.mb.ca</span></a><br>
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<div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> NANOG <nanog-bounces+athompson=merlin.mb.ca@nanog.org> on behalf of J�rgen Jaritsch <juergen@jaritsch.at><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 7, 2020 5:05:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> nanog@nanog.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> AW: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion</font>
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<div class="PlainText">Dear Adam,<br>
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yeah, forget about LACP - the bigger problem is all the LLDP and STP stuff,<br>
that gets interpreted at the UNI port. LACP is a bad example - but there are<br>
many other frames and protocols, which must work. Could be that a customer<br>
wants to run MPLS+LDP on his VLL (for whatever reason ...).<br>
<br>
> For your requirements, although I hesitate to recommend them for<br>
enterprise/carrier use, Miktotik's EoIP protocol does a much better job of<br>
this than most "carrier-grade" implementations.<br>
<br>
Not at wirespeed ... and not without causing other issues (single thread<br>
load, etc).<br>
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> Juniper has the EX4650 that matches your h/w specs,... Not 100% sure the<br>
Juniper EX does 25G, now that I think of it.<br>
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Yeah, EX4650 it does: 48x 1/10/25G + 6x 100G + MPLS <br>
It also supports Ethernet over MPLS (at least they say here:<br>
<a href="https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/topic-map/mpls-over">https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/topic-map/mpls-over</a><br>
view.html#id-mpls-feature-support-on-qfx-series-and-ex4600-switches) but at<br>
some of their sites they mention, that MPLS-based CCC are not support: <br>
<a href="https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/topic-map/mpls-over">https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/topic-map/mpls-over</a><br>
view.html#jd0e2531<br>
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" ... MPLS-based circuit cross-connects (CCC) are not supported�only<br>
circuit-based pseudowires are supported. ..."<br>
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There is also the QFX5120-48Y - 48x 1/10/25G + 8x 100G + MPLS<br>
In the past QFX wasn't the best idea for MPLS topics ... has this changed?<br>
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> and Arista has, oh, at least half a dozen boxes of various spec that<br>
comply, too.<br>
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Yeah, I already know them (do have some older 7050S). The call it "VXLAN P2P<br>
Pseudowire", but there is absolutely nothing in there CLI documentation :(.<br>
Looks like the feature is only support on the 7280 platform.<br>
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Possible options: <br>
7280SR2-48YC6<br>
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Do you have any experience with what they call "VXLAN P2P Pseudowire"? I<br>
can't even find a config example on the net :(<br>
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thanks & best regards<br>
J�rgen<br>
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-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----<br>
Von: Adam Thompson [<a href="mailto:athompson@merlin.mb.ca">mailto:athompson@merlin.mb.ca</a>]
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2020 23:09<br>
An: J�rgen Jaritsch <juergen@jaritsch.at>; nanog@nanog.org<br>
Betreff: RE: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion<br>
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Good luck with tunnelling LACP, no matter what boxes you have - LACP has (de<br>
facto) hard jitter requirements of under 1msec, or you'll be getting TCP<br>
resets coming out your ears due to mis-ordered packets.<br>
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For your requirements, although I hesitate to recommend them for<br>
enterprise/carrier use, Miktotik's EoIP protocol does a much better job of<br>
this than most "carrier-grade" implementations.<br>
<br>
Otherwise, Juniper and Arista both come to mind, Juniper has the EX4650 that<br>
matches your h/w specs, and Arista has, oh, at least half a dozen boxes of<br>
various spec that comply, too. Not 100% sure the Juniper EX does 25G, now<br>
that I think of it.<br>
<br>
Adam Thompson<br>
Consultant, Infrastructure Services<br>
MERLIN<br>
100 - 135 Innovation Drive<br>
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8<br>
(204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only) <a href="mailto:athompson@merlin.mb.ca">
mailto:athompson@merlin.mb.ca</a><br>
<a href="http://www.merlin.mb.ca">http://www.merlin.mb.ca</a><br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: NANOG <<a href="mailto:nanog-bounces+athompson=merlin.mb.ca@nanog.org">mailto:nanog-bounces+athompson=merlin.mb.ca@nanog.org</a>> On<br>
Behalf <br>
> Of J�rgen Jaritsch<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 3:15 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org">mailto:nanog@nanog.org</a><br>
> Subject: L2VPN/L2transport, Cumulus Linux & hardware suggestion<br>
> <br>
> Dear folks,<br>
> <br>
> have anyone already tried to run VXLAN/EVPN + �Bridge Layer 2 Protocol <br>
> Tunneling� on Cumulus Linux as an replacement for classic MPLS <br>
> L2VPN/VPWS (�xconnect�, l2circuit, VLL) ?<br>
> <br>
> I need to provide transparent Ethernet P2P virtual leased lines to my <br>
> customers and these have to support stuff like LLDP, STP, LACP, etc. <br>
> The transport L2 network is not THAT big: max hops between VTEP is 4.<br>
> <br>
> Anyone have suggestions for the below hardware request?<br>
> #) 1-3U L2/L3 box<br>
> #) 48x SFP28 / 1/10/25G<br>
> #) 6x QSFP28 / 100G<br>
> #) VXLAN/EVPN with L2 tunneling support or<br>
> #) MPLS VPWS/l2circuit<br>
> #) Dual PSU<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> thanks & best regards<br>
> J�rgen<br>
> <br>
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