<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="auto">The guy is asking a question, there is no need to act almighty if you dont have anything positive to add.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div id="composer_signature" dir="auto"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir="auto">Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000" dir="auto"><!-- originalMessage --><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> </div><div>Date: 09/06/2020 08:22 (GMT+08:00) </div><div>To: </div><div>Cc: nanog@nanog.org </div><div>Subject: Re: Outsourced NOC Solutions </div><div><br></div></div>
<p>I ain't so little, and I'm old enough to call bullshit when I see
it.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/8/20 8:04 PM, TJ Trout wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">stop being a disrespectful little prick.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 4:52 PM
Miles Fidelman <<a href="mailto:mfidelman@meetinghouse.net" moz-do-not-send="true">mfidelman@meetinghouse.net</a>>
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<p><b style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Times;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Rod
Beck</b><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Times;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span> </span></span><a href="mailto:nanog%40nanog.org?Subject=Re%3A%20Outsourced%20NOC%20Solutions&In-Reply-To=%3CDM5PR1301MB197970E61423A8B18D0B5558E4850%40DM5PR1301MB1979.namprd13.prod.outlook.com%3E" title="Outsourced NOC Solutions" style="font-family:Times;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rod.beck at
unitedcablecompany.com</a> wrote<br>
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<pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">I would calm down, Miles. 😃 Dark fiber networks are built and usually maintained by the same construction company that installed them. And a dark fiber network does not even need a single full time optical engineer. If the cable is damaged, then the guys who installed it will repair it. All the expertise is there.
And no, I am not an executive at a undersea cable system. i was one of Hibernia Atlantic's top salesmen during the early years from 2004-2011 after which I retired.
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Funny thing then, given that you signed your original query
as:<br>
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<pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Roderick Beck
VP of Business Development
United Cable Company
<a href="http://www.unitedcablecompany.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.unitedcablecompany.com</a><<a href="http://www.unitedcablecompany.com/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.unitedcablecompany.com</a>></pre>
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<p>And following the link to United Cable Company's web site
reveals:</p>
<p>"Your source for the world's most distinctive submarine
cable assets." And the about page says "Its mission, as a
leading telecom consulting company, is to represent the
world’s most distinctive submarine and terrestrial cable
assets."</p>
<p>Your original query asked:</p>
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<pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Am I wrong in believing that there should be a way of lighting a single pair in the cable and then monitoring it for signal disruption? It is not a perfect solution, but arguably better than learning that the cable has been damaged from an irate customer.</pre>
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<p>In a followup message you say:</p>
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<pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Just to clarify, this is a dark fiber network already built and will be repaired by the construction company that built it. I just a system to inform them as soon as the fibers are damaged.
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<p>So... color me confused about who you are, who you
represent, what you're trying to accomplish, what you're
asking, and, perhaps, why you don't already know the
answer to your question, or have someone internal to your
organization who already knows.</p>
<p>Miles Fidelman<br>
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<pre cols="72">--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
Theory is when you know everything but nothing works.
Practice is when everything works but no one knows why.
In our lab, theory and practice are combined:
nothing works and no one knows why. ... unknown</pre>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
Theory is when you know everything but nothing works.
Practice is when everything works but no one knows why.
In our lab, theory and practice are combined:
nothing works and no one knows why. ... unknown</pre>
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