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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:46 PM<br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I�m a very transparent guy, nothing to hide about how much I do for the community, including voluntary work for many folks that need and want to implement IPv6.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Probably that explains it!</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 13/5/20 22:32, "Elad Cohen" <<a href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io">elad@netstyle.io</a>> escribi�:</p>
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<p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Regards,</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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"The IPv6 Company"</span><span style="color:black"></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election</span> </p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">It is curious how many times we have heard that, not only heard in NANOG and other NOGs, but also in IETF, even debated in long thread with several IDs, and for some
strange reason, we all missed that or maybe because nobody got the running code to demonstrate his/her point in a realistic way?</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Instead, IPv6 is working for everyone that invest just a little bit of effort, in the only credible long-term solution.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Of course, like in any aspect of our life, always some people will believe that they can keep using legacy tools, I still see some people using abacus instead of
the �calc.app�, it is nice, just for fun, but is not smart neither productive.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">It is matter of what the world needs.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">El 13/5/20 21:58, "NANOG en nombre de Elad Cohen" <<a href="mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org">nanog-bounces@nanog.org</a> en nombre de
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<p class="x_xmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Your home ISP will support IPv4+ packets exactly as it is now, because IPv4+ is based on the exact current IPv4 packet format. With the needed roundtable - IPv4+
will be deployed in the whole internet and fast.</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election</span> </p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">It just keeps getting dumber by the minute. My home ISP hasn�t even updated firmware to one that supports v6, but yeah, they�re surely going to update to your Frankenstein ipv4 because
you�re going to give them a taste of addresses from the nightmare pool that will reach even less of the internet than v6.</span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 3:41 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se><br>
<b>Cc: </b>NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Every internet host that will want to speak IPv4+ , will have an update (for example through the operating systems automatic updates mechanisms)</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><i><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">It's taken us decades to get applications to use the new struct to support
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IPv6+IPv4, resetting the timer back to 0 and starting over does not help <br>
deployment. It just kicks it another 20 years down the line.</span></i></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">I wrote about the usage of a roundtable in order to implement everything fast (the roundtable will include one representative from each of the operating
system vendors, one representative from each of the routing equipment manufacturers and one representative from each of the 5 RIR's), if I will be elected to RIPE board I will do everything in my power so this roundtable will be formed fast and that the needed
updates will be created fast. Each party in the roundtable will receive an amount of free IPv4 addresses from the new IPv4+ pool, and each ASN will also receive for example a /21 , home-routers and home-modems will not be needed to be updated and they will
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><i><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">You're just inventing yet another incompatible standard and you have to
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">There is an adjustment to IPv4+ that the format of addresses will not be [0-655365].[0-655365]v4 - but it will be [256-511].[0-255].[0-255].[0-255]</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">So IPv4+ addresses will be in the format of IPv4 addresses - it will end-user adoption of IPv4+ easier and also integration in the applicative layer
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Elad Cohen <elad@netstyle.io><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brielle <bruns@2mbit.com>; NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election</span><span lang="EN-US"> </span>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span lang="EN-US">On Wed, 13 May 2020, Elad Cohen wrote:<br>
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> LOL funny seeing you changing your mind by 180 degrees when someone you <br>
> know in the community writing to you the exact same thing.<br>
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"In addition, the sockets API should be extended to support IPxl with a <br>
new socket domain PF_IPXL which is identical to PF_INET in every respect <br>
save that the IP addresses are 8 bytes long instead of 4."<br>
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Do you realise that this means you're requiring changing *every* <br>
socket-speaking application in the world?<br>
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It's taken us decades to get applications to use the new struct to support <br>
IPv6+IPv4, resetting the timer back to 0 and starting over does not help <br>
deployment. It just kicks it another 20 years down the line.<br>
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You're just inventing yet another incompatible standard and you have to <br>
touch everything, DHCP, DNS all applications etc.<br>
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-- <br>
Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se</span></p>
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