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<p><font size="+1">Can you please let it go? Or even better go some
place else ?</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">I am sure many thank you.</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/13/20 9:20 PM, Elad Cohen wrote:<br>
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<div><i>This is the second time I�ve seen you make this claim in
public. I see nothing in the slide deck you linked which
claims they are illegal.</i><br>
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<div>According to their private presentation in the following
link - they receive on a regular basis private data from their
contacts in internet companies and internet organizations in
illegal way - and then they share it with Law Enforcement
Agencies in illegal way (without any warrant).<br>
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<div><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation">https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation</a><br>
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<div><i>Nor does it say that they are anonymous, in fact, the
CIO�s name (Richard D G Cox) is prominently displayed on the
title slide.</i><br>
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<div>Spamhaus using fake names such as "Mike Anderson", "Rob
Shultz", "Thomas Morrison", "Pete Dewas" - is a fact.<br>
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<div>Richard D G Cox name is displayed in the presentation -
because it was a private presentation that was displayed in a
private event and they never knew that it will become public.<br>
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<div><i>I seriously doubt that if they were truly the criminals
you say they are, they would be permitted to name the FBI as
a partner on their website:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.spamhaus.org/organization/">https://www.spamhaus.org/organization/</a></i><br>
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<div>They are helping Law Enforcement Agencies on a regular
basis and in very high volume according to their own
presentation (by sharing with them all the illegaly-obtained
privacy data) - so Law Enforcement Agencies look the other
way.<br>
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<div><i>I also sincerely doubt that if they were criminals, as
you state, that they would be admitted as members, let alone
receive awards from the National Cber-Forensics and Training
Alliance.</i><br>
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<div>Some of the employees of Spamhaus are past members of Law
Enforcement Agencies, such as Andrew Fried (from deteque.com -
owned by Spamhaus) - which was a former special agent in USA
government before hoped to his new job at Spamhaus. They are
connected to the Law Enforcement Agencies in the Western
world.<br>
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<div><i>Indeed, ISPA has also presented them with an �Internet
Hero Award�.</i><br>
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<div>Yes, they help Law Enforcement Agencies, but in illegal
way.<br>
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<div><i>Frankly, when it comes to the issues of criminality, I
think Spamhaus has significantly more credibility than you
do.</i><br>
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<div>Thank you for keep taking part in the illegal cyber
influence operation. I dislike the word "credibility" - I like
the words facts and data. Facts and data are booleans and
don't let imbaciles like you are to have an opinion, please
relate to facts and to data.<br>
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<div><i>That�s an awfully strange interpretation of
(presumably):<br>
</i></div>
<div><i>�Spamhaus holds a lot of information provided in
confidence by industry players � on the understanding that
it can be made available to LEAs where needed.�<br>
</i></div>
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<div>confidence means illegal unless you are an imbacile,
industry players means internet companies and internet
organizations, "on the understanding" - meaning that their
contacts that shared with them the mass privcay data know that
this data can be available to LEAs without any warrant "where
needed".<br>
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<div><i>Uh, sure, and I�m the Prince of Whales.</i><br>
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<div>Ronald doesn't deny it, so you are denying it for him?<br>
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<div><i>At this point, the best you�ve got on this list is an
a-said/b-said with no public evidence on either side. In
such a case, it boils down to credibility and frankly, IMHO,
yours is lacking.</i><br>
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<div>Yours lacking. You are asking from me to share with you
private business documents publicly ? who are you ?<br>
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<div><i>Quote 1 might be bad style on RFG�s part, but style and
eloquence have never been his strong suits.</i><br>
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<div>People that cover up racism are worst than racists.<br>
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<div><i>a meticulous researcher and brutally honest</i><br>
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<div>Proofs ? Facts ? Data ? Ever heared on any of these ?
instead of mumbling here that Coconut Guilmette is a
meticulous researcher and brutally honest.<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>Here just one note on his "honesty", Coconut Guilmette
wrote here in Nanog the text in the following link:<br>
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<div><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://imgur.com/xWSq3g3">https://imgur.com/xWSq3g3</a><br>
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<div>I was never contacted by CoCT like he wrote nor anyone else
was contacted, he lied to you all, not only that - but
internal correspondences of CoCT proof the complete opposite
of what he wrote - Alister of CoCT explained to Coconut
Guilmette in his imagination what he wrote there - Coconut
Guilmette will not be able to show a single proof to anything
in that linked text paragraph of his.<br>
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<div>I'm willing to show evidences of the exact opposite to one
respected member of Nanog and he will confirm it to the Nanog
community (for example to William Herrin).<br>
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<div><i>Are you attempting to hide the rest of the thread from
closer scrutiny while cherry-picking quotes you hope support
your narrative?</i><br>
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<div>Racism is racism, you are again trying to to justify
racism. The person that called Ronald a racist and the person
that called Ronald an antisemitic - both of them read
everything he wrote.<br>
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<div><i>Quote 3 is the most amusing in that the person all but
states that you, Mr. Cohen, are acting guilty of the
allegations made by RFG and that the original poster thinks
you both have things to answer for.</i><br>
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<div>No, that response regarding me was due to the lies of
Coconut Guilmette like I showed above. And there were many
many more lies - everything that Coconut Guilmette wrote about
me was without any single proof against me - only from his
imagination.<br>
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<div>Are you comparing the quote of stating that I need to
answer to the lies of Coconut Guilmette to the quote which is
stating that Ronald is an antisemitic ???<br>
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<div><i>Ron has UI problems, to be sure. Not the least of which,
he doesn�t filter and doesn�t put any effort into political
correctness. He definitely lacks polish and a certain level
of social skills.</i><br>
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<div>Nice way to cover up a person which is a racist and an
antisemitic, and was called a racist and an antisemitic not by
me but by people which are not related to me.<br>
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<div><i>I don�t think for one second that he is actually a
racist or a bigot. He identifies patterns and calls out what
he sees. Often without regard for the collateral damage.</i><br>
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<div>Patterns like country-origin ? city-origin ? race-patterns
? This is called racism, you are still trying to cover up a
racist and an antisemitic.<br>
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<div><i>You, Mr. Cohen, are not collateral. You are dead center
of the wrongdoing he�s been pointing out.</i><br>
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<div>The only wrongdoing is him not going to a complete health
check and you covering up a racist and an antisemitic.<br>
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<div><i>Just because RFG used racist terms and you happen to be
Israeli (and for all I know Jewish, too), doesn�t mean that
his accusations against you are baseless or inaccurate.</i><br>
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<div>or Proof-less ???<br>
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<div>And now in this sentence you are confirming that he is a
racist and antisemitic - so why you wrote all the above?<br>
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<div><i>Is it your claim that the following article:<br>
</i></div>
<div><i><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/318205-the-big-south-african-ip-address-heist-how-millions-are-made-on-the-grey-market.html">https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/318205-the-big-south-african-ip-address-heist-how-millions-are-made-on-the-grey-market.html</a><br>
</i></div>
<div><i>is entirely baseless? Do you have any documentation to
support such a claim?</i><br>
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<div>Here is the latest ordered article from the illegal
anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" in that site:<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-address-heist-running-for-board-position-at-european-ip-address-organisation.html">https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-address-heist-running-for-board-position-at-european-ip-address-organisation.html</a><br>
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<div><br>
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<div>And in it you can see that is written:<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>"It must be noted that Cohen is not being accused of any
illegal activity in this report."<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>That is the last article after the mumbo-jumbo that you
linked.<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>The site wrote it because they know that as you wrote -
everything is entirely baseless - but it doesn't matter to
them - all they want is to defame me and to hurt my chances to
join the RIPE board, because they know that I will put an end
to the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project"
if I will be elected, the defamation towards me is only
because I dared to stand up against the illegal anonymouos
organization "The Spamhaus Project".<br>
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<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div><i>Just out of curiosity� Is this you, too?<br>
</i></div>
<div><i><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-dismisses-head-of-co-ed-idf-unit-for-suspected-relationship-with-subordinate/">https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-dismisses-head-of-co-ed-idf-unit-for-suspected-relationship-with-subordinate/</a><br>
</i></div>
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<div>Just out of curiosity... Is this you, too?<br>
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<div><a
href="https://hawaiianeyetours.com/files/672%20Size%20Images/humpback_whale_breach.jpg"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://hawaiianeyetours.com/files/672%20Size%20Images/humpback_whale_breach.jpg</a></div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt"
face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Owen
DeLong <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:owen@delong.com"><owen@delong.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Elad Cohen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io"><elad@netstyle.io></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ronald F. Guilmette <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rfg@tristatelogic.com"><rfg@tristatelogic.com></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org">nanog@nanog.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"><nanog@nanog.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election</font>
<div>�</div>
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<div class="">"The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal
anonymous organization according to their own words in
their own following presentation:<br class="">
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href="https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation"
id="LPNoLP610976" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation</a></div>
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<div><br class="">
</div>
This is the second time I�ve seen you make this claim in
public. I see nothing in the slide deck you linked which
claims they are illegal.</div>
<div><br class="">
</div>
<div>Nor does it say that they are anonymous, in fact, the CIO�s
name (Richard D G Cox) is prominently displayed on the title
slide.</div>
<div><br class="">
</div>
<div>I seriously doubt that if they were truly the criminals you
say they are, they would be permitted to name the FBI as a
partner on their website:�<a
href="https://www.spamhaus.org/organization/" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.spamhaus.org/organization/</a></div>
<div><br class="">
</div>
<div>I also sincerely doubt that if they were criminals, as you
state, that they would be admitted as members, let alone
receive awards from the National Cber-Forensics and Training
Alliance.</div>
<div><br class="">
</div>
<div>Indeed, ISPA has also presented them with an �Internet Hero
Award�.</div>
<div><br class="">
</div>
<div>Frankly, when it comes to the issues of criminality, I
think Spamhaus has significantly more credibility than you do.</div>
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<div class="">They wrote in it that they receive on a
regular basis - massive amount of illegaly-obtained
privacy data from their contacts in many internet
companies and internet organizations - and then they
share it in illegal way (without any warrant) with Law
Enforcement Agencies - this is the reason that Law
Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the
illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project�.<br
class="">
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<div>That�s an awfully strange interpretation of (presumably):</div>
<div><br class="">
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<div>
<div>�Spamhaus holds a lot of information provided in
confidence by industry players � on the understanding that
it can be made available to LEAs where needed.�</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
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</div>
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<div class="">Ronald Guilmette is the front person of
the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus
Project�.<br class="">
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<div><br class="">
</div>
Uh, sure, and I�m the Prince of Whales.</div>
<div><br class="">
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<div class=""><span class="">----<br class="">
</span>
<div class=""><i class="">and that said legal counsel
has then<br class="">
</i></div>
<div class=""><i class="">proceeded to threaten
various officials of the City of Cape Town,<br
class="">
</i></div>
<div class=""><i class="">South Africa with possible
legal action if they do not relinquish<br class="">
</i></div>
<div class=""><i class="">to him their rights in and
title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block</i></div>
<div class="">----<br class="">
</div>
<span class="">This is a complete lie, in order to
shame CoCT I will not share their internal
correspondences. Anyone interested to know more
information can email me directly.</span></div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br class="">
</div>
At this point, the best you�ve got on this list is an
a-said/b-said with no public evidence on either side. In such
a case, it boils down to credibility and frankly, IMHO, yours
is lacking.</div>
<div><br class="">
</div>
<div>
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<div class="">----<br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><i class="">"I am assured that at no time
did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or
barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4
block"</i><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">----<br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is
"assured" that all Dutch people are criminals and all
Colombian network oeprators are criminals and all
Chicago citizens are criminals according to his
statements in the following links:<br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><a href="https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX"
id="LPlnk944599" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX</a></div>
<div class=""><a href="https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ"
id="LPNoLP713856" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ</a></div>
<div class=""><a href="https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz</a></div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br class="">
</div>
Quote 1 might be bad style on RFG�s part, but style and
eloquence have never been his strong suits. OTOH, he is, in my
experience, a meticulous researcher and brutally honest. I
also note that you have carefully resorted to an image of a
plain text blob with no header matter and no way to
authenticate or verify the source or validate the attribution
as factual. I don�t doubt that it is an actual RFG quote (at
least it sounds like something he�d say), but why not link to
the actual list archive where you got it? Are you attempting
to hide the rest of the thread from closer scrutiny while
cherry-picking quotes you hope support your narrative?</div>
<div>
<div><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>FWIW:�<a
href="https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2019-September/102992.html"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">Cogent sales reps who
actually respond</a>�is the original thread from the NANOG
archives.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Qoute 2 strikes me as an innocent snark said in
jest.</div>
<div class=""><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>FWIW:�<a
href="https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2019-September/103083.html"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">Colombia Network Operators
Group</a>�is the original thread from the NANOG archives.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Quote 3 is the most amusing in that the person
all but states that you, Mr. Cohen, are acting guilty of the
allegations made by RFG and that the original poster thinks
you both have things to answer for.</div>
<div class=""><span class="x_Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>FWIW:
Quoted thread here:�<a
href="https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2020-January/105585.html"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">Prominent horse racing
identities (was Re: Elad Cohen)</a></div>
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<div class="">Ronald was called an antisemitic and a
racist person here on Nanog in the following two
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Ron has UI problems, to be sure. Not the least of which, he
doesn�t filter and doesn�t put any effort into political
correctness. He definitely lacks polish and a certain level of
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<div>I don�t think for one second that he is actually a racist
or a bigot. He identifies patterns and calls out what he sees.
Often without regard for the collateral damage.</div>
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<div>You, Mr. Cohen, are not collateral. You are dead center of
the wrongdoing he�s been pointing out.</div>
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the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald
called me in two antisemitic names that are being
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defamation campaign towards me - none of you raised
a voice and not only that but some Nanog subscribers
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Just because RFG used racist terms and you happen to be
Israeli (and for all I know Jewish, too), doesn�t mean that
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<div>Is it your claim that the following article:</div>
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<div>is entirely baseless? Do you have any documentation to
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<div>Just out of curiosity� Is this you, too?</div>
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