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LOL funny seeing you changing your mind by 180 degrees when someone you know in the community writing to you the exact same thing.</div>
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Grow a backbone please.<br>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Brielle <bruns@2mbit.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election</font>
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<div class="PlainText">On 5/13/2020 12:42 PM, William Herrin wrote:<br>
> Hi Brielle,<br>
> <br>
> <a href="http://bill.herrin.us/network/ipxl.html">http://bill.herrin.us/network/ipxl.html</a><br>
> <br>
> Someone said much as you did way back in 2007. It bugged me, this<br>
> defeatism that said there was no way IPv4 could have been<br>
> incrementally updated to support more addresses, that a greenfield<br>
> protocol was the only path forward. So I designed an upgrade factoring<br>
> in the need for pre- and post-upgrade stacks and networks to<br>
> interoperate over a period of years. It took all of 4 printed pages.<br>
> <br>
> It's clear IPv6 is the path forward. It was clear in 2007. But don't<br>
> for a second believe that's because IPv4 could not have been upgraded<br>
> in place. That's a failure of imagination.<br>
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Interesting, thank you for the insight and some detailed breakdown. I'm <br>
actually really glad someone with some more experience jumped in with <br>
some actual background in this effort.<br>
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One thing that cropped up in my mind from the late 90s and AFAIK still <br>
goes on today - isn't it pretty well documented that more then a small <br>
number of 'professional' firewalls have a habit of just outright <br>
discarding/rejecting/barfing on packets with options in them that they <br>
don't recognize?<br>
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IE: PMTU/ECN blackhole redux.<br>
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Of course since IPx1 requires some stack upgrades, so that point is moot <br>
really.<br>
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Sigh. Back to the original thought that its just easier to go IPv6 then <br>
try to 'fix' whats already out there.<br>
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-- <br>
Brielle Bruns<br>
The Summit Open Source Development Group<br>
<a href="http://www.sosdg.org">http://www.sosdg.org</a> / <a href="http://www.ahbl.org">
http://www.ahbl.org</a><br>
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