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<p>Wait, is there supposed to be some sort of conspiracy? I'll bet
that Steve Deering couldn't be happier being as far away from this
as possible on some deserted island off the coast of BC.</p>
<p>Mike<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/13/20 1:46 PM, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via NANOG wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">I’m a very transparent guy, nothing to hide
about how much I do for the community, including voluntary
work for many folks that need and want to implement IPv6.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">Probably that explains it!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 13/5/20
22:32, "Elad Cohen" <<a href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io"
moz-do-not-send="true">elad@netstyle.io</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Jordi<br>
"The IPv6 Company"</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span
style="color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="color:black"> NANOG <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org"><nanog-bounces@nanog.org></a>
on behalf of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"><nanog@nanog.org></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NANOG list <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"><nanog@nanog.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election</span>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">It is curious how
many times we have heard that, not only heard in NANOG
and other NOGs, but also in IETF, even debated in long
thread with several IDs, and for some strange reason, we
all missed that or maybe because nobody got the running
code to demonstrate his/her point in a realistic way?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Instead, IPv6 is
working for everyone that invest just a little bit of
effort, in the only credible long-term solution.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">Of course, like in
any aspect of our life, always some people will believe
that they can keep using legacy tools, I still see some
people using abacus instead of the “calc.app”, it is
nice, just for fun, but is not smart neither productive.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US">It is matter of
what the world needs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Jordi</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">@jordipalet</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt">El
13/5/20 21:58, "NANOG en nombre de Elad Cohen" <<a
href="mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">nanog-bounces@nanog.org</a>
en nombre de <a href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io"
moz-do-not-send="true">elad@netstyle.io</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Your home ISP
will support IPv4+ packets exactly as it is now,
because IPv4+ is based on the exact current IPv4
packet format. With the needed roundtable - IPv4+ will
be deployed in the whole internet and fast.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><b><span
style="color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="color:black"> NANOG
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org"><nanog-bounces@nanog.org></a> on behalf of David
Hubbard <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com"><dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NANOG list <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"><nanog@nanog.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election</span>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="EN-US">It just keeps getting dumber by the
minute. My home ISP hasn’t even updated firmware to
one that supports v6, but yeah, they’re surely going
to update to your Frankenstein ipv4 because you’re
going to give them a taste of addresses from the
nightmare pool that will reach even less of the
internet than v6.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-US">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">NANOG
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org"><nanog-bounces@nanog.org></a> on behalf of Elad
Cohen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io"><elad@netstyle.io></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 3:41 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Mikael Abrahamsson
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:swmike@swm.pp.se"><swmike@swm.pp.se></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>NANOG list <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"><nanog@nanog.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board
election</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">----</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><i><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Do you realise
that this means you're requiring changing
*every* <br>
socket-speaking application in the world?</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">----</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Every
internet host that will want to speak IPv4+ , will
have an update (for example through the operating
systems automatic updates mechanisms)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">----</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><i><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">It's taken us
decades to get applications to use the new
struct to support <br>
IPv6+IPv4, resetting the timer back to 0 and
starting over does not help <br>
deployment. It just kicks it another 20 years
down the line.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">----</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">I
wrote about the usage of a roundtable in order to
implement everything fast (the roundtable will
include one representative from each of the
operating system vendors, one representative from
each of the routing equipment manufacturers and
one representative from each of the 5 RIR's), if I
will be elected to RIPE board I will do everything
in my power so this roundtable will be formed fast
and that the needed updates will be created fast.
Each party in the roundtable will receive an
amount of free IPv4 addresses from the new IPv4+
pool, and each ASN will also receive for example a
/21 , home-routers and home-modems will not be
needed to be updated and they will support IPv4+.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">----</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><i><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">You're just
inventing yet another incompatible standard and
you have to <br>
touch everything, DHCP, DNS all applications
etc.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">----</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">There
is an adjustment to IPv4+ that the format of
addresses will not be [0-655365].[0-655365]v4 -
but it will be [256-511].[0-255].[0-255].[0-255]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">So
IPv4+ addresses will be in the format of IPv4
addresses - it will end-user adoption of IPv4+
easier and also integration in the applicative
layer easier (as application developers will only
need to set that the first number can be higher
instead to support a new format of
[0-655365].[0-655365]v4 )</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><b><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> Mikael
Abrahamsson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:swmike@swm.pp.se"><swmike@swm.pp.se></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Elad Cohen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:elad@netstyle.io"><elad@netstyle.io></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brielle <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bruns@2mbit.com"><bruns@2mbit.com></a>; NANOG
list <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"><nanog@nanog.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board
election</span><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="margin-left:70.8pt"><span
lang="EN-US">On Wed, 13 May 2020, Elad Cohen
wrote:<br>
<br>
> LOL funny seeing you changing your mind by
180 degrees when someone you <br>
> know in the community writing to you the
exact same thing.<br>
<br>
"In addition, the sockets API should be extended
to support IPxl with a <br>
new socket domain PF_IPXL which is identical to
PF_INET in every respect <br>
save that the IP addresses are 8 bytes long
instead of 4."<br>
<br>
Do you realise that this means you're requiring
changing *every* <br>
socket-speaking application in the world?<br>
<br>
It's taken us decades to get applications to use
the new struct to support <br>
IPv6+IPv4, resetting the timer back to 0 and
starting over does not help <br>
deployment. It just kicks it another 20 years
down the line.<br>
<br>
You're just inventing yet another incompatible
standard and you have to <br>
touch everything, DHCP, DNS all applications
etc.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Mikael Abrahamsson email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:swmike@swm.pp.se">swmike@swm.pp.se</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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