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style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Nick Edwards" <nick.z.edwards@gmail.com><br><b>To: </b>"Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net><br><b>Cc: </b>nanog@nanog.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, May 4, 2020 5:06:28 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: alternative to voip gateways<br><br>Thanks, this seems far more cost effective.<br>But what about configuration, is it easy enough to configure?<br><br>I'm told it must be simple to config and understand and if possible<br>web based (im told because I may not always be available they want<br>their basic IT staff to be able to understand and if need be make<br>changes - which that alone scares me none of them understand anything<br>other than windows)<br><br>Thanks for all the suggestions<br><br>On 5/3/20, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:<br>> If you were to outfit them with three chassis of Calix\Occam B6-252s, you'd<br>> be under $25k for the whole thing and get ADSL2+ speeds. You would need most<br>> of a rack to do it.<br>><br>><br>> Other platforms may or may not be more cost effective or a better solution.<br>> Just throwing the idea out there.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> -----<br>> Mike Hammett<br>> Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>><br>> Midwest Internet Exchange<br>><br>> The Brothers WISP<br>><br>> ----- Original Message -----<br>><br>> From: "Nick Edwards" <nick.z.edwards@gmail.com><br>> To: "Jeremy Austin" <jhaustin@gmail.com><br>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org<br>> Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 12:21:17 AM<br>> Subject: Re: alternative to voip gateways<br>><br>> The huts or cabins whatever you want to call them, are right behind<br>> the admin building at entrance, so first is about 300 meters and the<br>> furtherest is just under 1 mile<br>><br>> Cost will be an issue, Im sure I will have no problems if I have to<br>> install a full rack of gateways and another full of dslams if it costs<br>> 150K, over something 1/5th the size in one rack that will cost 200k -<br>> since the company is not charging them for internet or voice.<br>><br>> On 5/2/20, Jeremy Austin <jhaustin@gmail.com> wrote:<br>>> What’s the average loop length? Grandstream is probably OK to 5+ kfeet but<br>>><br>>> you will lose CID before that.<br>>><br>>> As the low cost option don’t expect them to be trouble-free (or have<br>>> particularly good vendor support), but they might work in your application<br>>><br>>> if cheap is what makes sense.<br>>><br>>> My $.02<br>>><br>>> Jeremy Austin<br>>><br>>> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 10:11 PM Andrey Slastenov <a.slastenov@gmail.com><br>>> wrote:<br>>><br>>>> Look at MSAN solution. Like Huawei UA5000 or similar solutions from other<br>>>><br>>>> vendors.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Regards,<br>>>> Andrey<br>>>><br>>>> > 2 мая 2020 г., в 07:21, Nick Edwards <nick.z.edwards@gmail.com><br>>>> написал(а):<br>>>> ><br>>>> > I'm looking at a new sister company we just took over, their remote<br>>>> > village has 1700 analogue phone lines to the workers huts, but they go<br>>>> ><br>>>> > nowhere past the MDF.<br>>>> ><br>>>> > The office runs voip, now i'm told i have to get phones to the workers<br>>>> ><br>>>> > because the <lots of explicit words> AKA previous owners of that<br>>>> > business stopped the build when they ran into financial problems.<br>>>> ><br>>>> > So my plan is to utilize the existing many miles worth of copper pairs.<br>>>> ><br>>>> ><br>>>> > I'm looking at throwing them into Versa Dslams that use pppoe pass<br>>>> > through, throw in a mikoTik 1036 as pppoe server, and we got spare<br>>>> > R710 i can use as radius server, and by my limited knowledge this<br>>>> > works.<br>>>> ><br>>>> > OK data done, but... now all those pots out lines need to go somewhere<br>>>> ><br>>>> > that can handle 1700 or more lines, I am looking at either grandstream<br>>>> ><br>>>> > 48 port FXS gateways or sangoma vega 50 ports (which Ill use as 48 so<br>>>> > theres a 1:1 match with dslams) the vega 3050 probably wont be used<br>>>> > because they are more than twice the price of grandstream.<br>>>> ><br>>>> > But this all results in a sh1te load of 48 port gateways (power is not<br>>>> ><br>>>> > a concern), but wondering if there is another solution that is more<br>>>> > cost effective? Seems the regular NEC's Siemens and so on might have<br>>>> > an option but I can imagine it will be far more expensive than a bunch<br>>>> ><br>>>> > of individual gateways.<br>>>> ><br>>>> > This project is in my mind workable, but i've not done such a thing on<br>>>> ><br>>>> > a large scale.<br>>>> > Those who have experience in this field care to chime in? is my method<br>>>> ><br>>>> > acceptable or not for such a project size?<br>>>> ><br>>>> > most pbx's I've done are only few hundred analogue lines where<br>>>> > gateways are more suited and definitely more cost effective, at all<br>>>> > our locations we use freepbx which works perfectly, and we know the<br>>>> > beefyness of the box we'll need to install to handle this load, thats<br>>>> > not a problem if we go down the gateway method.<br>>>> ><br>>>> > thoughts?<br>>>><br>>> --<br>>> Jeremy Austin<br>>> jhaustin@gmail.com<br>>><br>><br>><br></div><br></div></body></html>