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style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Nick Edwards" <nick.z.edwards@gmail.com><br><b>To: </b>"Jeremy Austin" <jhaustin@gmail.com><br><b>Cc: </b>nanog@nanog.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, May 3, 2020 12:21:17 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: alternative to voip gateways<br><br>The huts or cabins whatever you want to call them, are right behind<br>the admin building at entrance, so first is about 300 meters and the<br>furtherest is just under 1 mile<br><br>Cost will be an issue, Im sure I will have no problems if I have to<br>install a full rack of gateways and another full of dslams if it costs<br>150K, over something 1/5th the size in one rack that will cost 200k -<br>since the company is not charging them for internet or voice.<br><br>On 5/2/20, Jeremy Austin <jhaustin@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> What’s the average loop length? Grandstream is probably OK to 5+ kfeet but<br>> you will lose CID before that.<br>><br>> As the low cost option don’t expect them to be trouble-free (or have<br>> particularly good vendor support), but they might work in your application<br>> if cheap is what makes sense.<br>><br>> My $.02<br>><br>> Jeremy Austin<br>><br>> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 10:11 PM Andrey Slastenov <a.slastenov@gmail.com><br>> wrote:<br>><br>>> Look at MSAN solution. Like Huawei UA5000 or similar solutions from other<br>>> vendors.<br>>><br>>><br>>> Regards,<br>>> Andrey<br>>><br>>> > 2 мая 2020 г., в 07:21, Nick Edwards <nick.z.edwards@gmail.com><br>>> написал(а):<br>>> ><br>>> > I'm looking at a new sister company we just took over, their remote<br>>> > village has 1700 analogue phone lines to the workers huts, but they go<br>>> > nowhere past the MDF.<br>>> ><br>>> > The office runs voip, now i'm told i have to get phones to the workers<br>>> > because the <lots of explicit words> AKA previous owners of that<br>>> > business stopped the build when they ran into financial problems.<br>>> ><br>>> > So my plan is to utilize the existing many miles worth of copper pairs.<br>>> ><br>>> > I'm looking at throwing them into Versa Dslams that use pppoe pass<br>>> > through, throw in a mikoTik 1036 as pppoe server, and we got spare<br>>> > R710 i can use as radius server, and by my limited knowledge this<br>>> > works.<br>>> ><br>>> > OK data done, but... now all those pots out lines need to go somewhere<br>>> > that can handle 1700 or more lines, I am looking at either grandstream<br>>> > 48 port FXS gateways or sangoma vega 50 ports (which Ill use as 48 so<br>>> > theres a 1:1 match with dslams) the vega 3050 probably wont be used<br>>> > because they are more than twice the price of grandstream.<br>>> ><br>>> > But this all results in a sh1te load of 48 port gateways (power is not<br>>> > a concern), but wondering if there is another solution that is more<br>>> > cost effective? Seems the regular NEC's Siemens and so on might have<br>>> > an option but I can imagine it will be far more expensive than a bunch<br>>> > of individual gateways.<br>>> ><br>>> > This project is in my mind workable, but i've not done such a thing on<br>>> > a large scale.<br>>> > Those who have experience in this field care to chime in? is my method<br>>> > acceptable or not for such a project size?<br>>> ><br>>> > most pbx's I've done are only few hundred analogue lines where<br>>> > gateways are more suited and definitely more cost effective, at all<br>>> > our locations we use freepbx which works perfectly, and we know the<br>>> > beefyness of the box we'll need to install to handle this load, thats<br>>> > not a problem if we go down the gateway method.<br>>> ><br>>> > thoughts?<br>>><br>> --<br>> Jeremy Austin<br>> jhaustin@gmail.com<br>><br></div><br></div></div></body></html>