<div dir="ltr">Agreed I would do the Adtran Total Access 5000. What you want is the "combo" cards. They combine a SIP FXS gateway and DSL port on one port, aka a Combo port. This would be the way to go, as it doesn't require external splitters to combine a DSL and Voice signal as you are talking about with two separate modules.<div><br></div><div>If cost is a concern, look at Zhone. They have carrier class gear on the cheap. </div><div><br></div><div>BTW, some of these chassis can support like 1000's of lines out of 1 box. Could do the whole village on a single rack quite easily. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 10:09 AM Mel Beckman <<a href="mailto:mel@beckman.org">mel@beckman.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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We’ve been implementing similar DSL systems at large campgrounds for years. There are a huge number of high-density DSLAM solutions out there, and DSL CPE cost practically nothing. As you say, $25K is plenty to pay for the hardware, and a rack is plenty of
space. The most time consuming part is wiring the existing POTS lines into amphenol connectors to plug into the DSLAM, 25 pairs at a time.
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If you were to outfit them with three chassis of Calix\Occam B6-252s, you'd be under $25k for the whole thing and get ADSL2+ speeds. You would need most of a rack to do it.
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<div>Other platforms may or may not be more cost effective or a better solution. Just throwing the idea out there.<br>
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<b>From: </b>"Nick Edwards" <<a href="mailto:nick.z.edwards@gmail.com" target="_blank">nick.z.edwards@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Jeremy Austin" <<a href="mailto:jhaustin@gmail.com" target="_blank">jhaustin@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, May 3, 2020 12:21:17 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: alternative to voip gateways<br>
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The huts or cabins whatever you want to call them, are right behind<br>
the admin building at entrance, so first is about 300 meters and the<br>
furtherest is just under 1 mile<br>
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Cost will be an issue, Im sure I will have no problems if I have to<br>
install a full rack of gateways and another full of dslams if it costs<br>
150K, over something 1/5th the size in one rack that will cost 200k -<br>
since the company is not charging them for internet or voice.<br>
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On 5/2/20, Jeremy Austin <<a href="mailto:jhaustin@gmail.com" target="_blank">jhaustin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> What’s the average loop length? Grandstream is probably OK to 5+ kfeet but<br>
> you will lose CID before that.<br>
><br>
> As the low cost option don’t expect them to be trouble-free (or have<br>
> particularly good vendor support), but they might work in your application<br>
> if cheap is what makes sense.<br>
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> My $.02<br>
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> Jeremy Austin<br>
><br>
> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 10:11 PM Andrey Slastenov <<a href="mailto:a.slastenov@gmail.com" target="_blank">a.slastenov@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
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>> Look at MSAN solution. Like Huawei UA5000 or similar solutions from other<br>
>> vendors.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Andrey<br>
>><br>
>> > 2 мая 2020 г., в 07:21, Nick Edwards <<a href="mailto:nick.z.edwards@gmail.com" target="_blank">nick.z.edwards@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> написал(а):<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I'm looking at a new sister company we just took over, their remote<br>
>> > village has 1700 analogue phone lines to the workers huts, but they go<br>
>> > nowhere past the MDF.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > The office runs voip, now i'm told i have to get phones to the workers<br>
>> > because the <lots of explicit words> AKA previous owners of that<br>
>> > business stopped the build when they ran into financial problems.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > So my plan is to utilize the existing many miles worth of copper pairs.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I'm looking at throwing them into Versa Dslams that use pppoe pass<br>
>> > through, throw in a mikoTik 1036 as pppoe server, and we got spare<br>
>> > R710 i can use as radius server, and by my limited knowledge this<br>
>> > works.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > OK data done, but... now all those pots out lines need to go somewhere<br>
>> > that can handle 1700 or more lines, I am looking at either grandstream<br>
>> > 48 port FXS gateways or sangoma vega 50 ports (which Ill use as 48 so<br>
>> > theres a 1:1 match with dslams) the vega 3050 probably wont be used<br>
>> > because they are more than twice the price of grandstream.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > But this all results in a sh1te load of 48 port gateways (power is not<br>
>> > a concern), but wondering if there is another solution that is more<br>
>> > cost effective? Seems the regular NEC's Siemens and so on might have<br>
>> > an option but I can imagine it will be far more expensive than a bunch<br>
>> > of individual gateways.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > This project is in my mind workable, but i've not done such a thing on<br>
>> > a large scale.<br>
>> > Those who have experience in this field care to chime in? is my method<br>
>> > acceptable or not for such a project size?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > most pbx's I've done are only few hundred analogue lines where<br>
>> > gateways are more suited and definitely more cost effective, at all<br>
>> > our locations we use freepbx which works perfectly, and we know the<br>
>> > beefyness of the box we'll need to install to handle this load, thats<br>
>> > not a problem if we go down the gateway method.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > thoughts?<br>
>><br>
> --<br>
> Jeremy Austin<br>
> <a href="mailto:jhaustin@gmail.com" target="_blank">jhaustin@gmail.com</a><br>
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