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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>Yeah, I use the heck out of the ASCX5048, it is the mpls edge of my resi/busi mpls ftth network…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>Lines/terminology can get blurry…But, I would say that I will do my best to get mpls into every nook and cranny of my network, where/when it makes sense. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>Forgive the atm analogy again, but seriously, when I managed the US Navy ATM Network in San Diego (2000-2004) I wanted cells into every nook and cranny in order to benefit from all the virtual capabilities atm had to offer… <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>…same with MPLS…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>…I’m increasingly hearing about devices like cisco’s ncs540, that enable mpls into smaller edge boxes, so that you can make use of up-and-coming sr/spring/evpn (mpls-based apps), automation, etc, etc<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>-Aaron<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.juniper.net/us/en/company/case-studies-customer-success/gvtc/">https://www.juniper.net/us/en/company/case-studies-customer-success/gvtc/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>…juniper did a write-up on us :)<span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Etienne-Victor Depasquale [mailto:edepa@ieee.org] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> Aaron Gould<br><b>Cc:</b> adamv0025@netconsultings.com; NANOG<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Applications of MPLS in the metro area<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I started poking around to learn more about these use cases and came across <a href="https://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/acx-series/datasheets/1000397.page">this interesting extract</a>:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>"<span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#595959'>Juniper Networks</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#595959'>®</span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#595959'> ACX Series Universal Metro Routers are Juniper’s response to a shift in metro network architecture, where the access and aggregation layers are extending the operational intelligence from the service provider edge to the access network.</span>"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Not long ago, I used to think of anything above layer 2 as "service provider edge" and further still (away from access), but the responses I've garnered are pointing at a metro network that widely implements MPLS and access and aggregation segments that are seeing implementation of L3 functions.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Etienne<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:45 PM Aaron Gould <<a href="mailto:aaron1@gvtc.com">aaron1@gvtc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#44546A'>Yeah, I forgot earlier but I’m using EVPN/MPLS for DC interconnections now also, for nicely integrating L2/L3 and host/machine level route preference</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#44546A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#44546A'>MPLS in some ways is reminiscent of the ability to fire-off Smart-PVC’s (SPVC/P) over an ATM (asynchronous transfer mode) network, and thus achieve end to end virtual private connectivity without touching the intermediate nodes (p nodes)…. Since the p-nodes just do label swapping (like vpi/vci swapping in the atm analogy)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#44546A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#44546A'>In actuality, many of my “p” nodes, are also “pe” nodes </span><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:#44546A'>J</span><span style='color:#44546A'> it’s all about what it’s doing at that moment for what it is that we are talking about</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#44546A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#44546A'>-Aaron</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#44546A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#44546A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> NANOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog-bounces@nanog.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:adamv0025@netconsultings.com" target="_blank">adamv0025@netconsultings.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Etienne-Victor Depasquale'; 'NANOG'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Applications of MPLS in the metro area</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>Hi,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>So where the books talk about PEs -think of your metro nodes here (basically converting the metro into an MPLS network -or making it part of your existing MPLS core) (you might not have a classic design where PEs hang off of P-Core nodes and might have just rings of PEs in your metro area) </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>And where the books talk about various L3VPN and L2VPN services that’s basically what you can offer over your metro -now that it’s been converted to a fully-fledged MPLS network.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>Ranging from multicast L3VPNs for 3PALY services through L2 p2p|p2mp|mp2mp services for Dat-Center-Interconect, to network-slicing buzzword (cause with VRFs and Traffic Engineering you can slice your metro area network whichever way you like). </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>adam </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> NANOG <<a href="mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog-bounces@nanog.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Etienne-Victor Depasquale<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> NANOG <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Applications of MPLS in the metro area<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>Hello !</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>I'm looking for what a network operator would consider a realistic reference deployment of MPLS within the metro area network. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>By "realistic reference", I'm asking about what a network operator would consider to be a typical, perhaps most common, application of MPLS technology.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>From a bookish perspective, I understand MPLS well but have never implemented it in the scope of my current field of study (metro area networks). I would dearly like to get this "grounded" perspective from anyone who might care to share it.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>Etienne</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#888888'>Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale<br>Assistant Lecturer<br>Department of Communications & Computer Engineering<br>Faculty of Information & Communication Technology<br>University of Malta</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB>Web. <a href="https://www.um.edu.mt/profile/etiennedepasquale" target="_blank">https://www.um.edu.mt/profile/etiennedepasquale</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#888888'>Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale<br>Assistant Lecturer<br>Department of Communications & Computer Engineering<br>Faculty of Information & Communication Technology<br>University of Malta</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Web. <a href="https://www.um.edu.mt/profile/etiennedepasquale" target="_blank">https://www.um.edu.mt/profile/etiennedepasquale</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>