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The Internet is not a telecommunications service, according to your
FCC. If you want predictability, buy WAN circuits, not Internet
circuits. If your provider is co-mingling Internet and WAN
traffic (i.e. circuits with defined endpoints vs. public Internet or
VPN), then you need to talk to them about their prioritization.<br><br>
If you have mission critical applications, put them on mission critical
infrastructure, not the public Internet.<br><br>
Oh, that's right - Internet circuits are cheaper than WAN
circuits.<br><br>
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At 01:14 PM 14/03/2020, Mike Bolitho
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<dd>Seems arbitrary. � Lots of networks have lots of Netflix/etc
capacity.� Who determines what is "mission
critical"?� Our mission as an ISP is to deliver Internet to
our customers.� If they want to play online games or watch video,
who am I to say that isn't critical to THEIR mission?...� <br>
<dd>� <br>
<dd>...The last thing we need are a bunch of kids in quarantine that have
NOTHING to do because Mike Bolitho thinks their entertainment isn't part
of the "mission" of the Internet.<br><br>
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We already have that. It's called Telecommunications Service Priority and
this is the charge:<br><br>
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<dd>Telecommunications Service Priority (TSP) is a program that
authorizes national security and emergency preparedness (NS/EP)
organizations to receive priority treatment for vital voice and data
circuits or other telecommunications services.<br><br>
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I work for a hospital, we ran into some issues last week due to
congestion that was totally outside of our control that was off of our
WAN (Thanks Call Of Duty). Now, the issue we ran into was not mission
critical at the time but it was still disruptive. As more and more people
are driven home during this time, more and more people will be using
bandwidth intensive streaming and online gaming products. If more and
more TSP coded entities are running into issues, ISPs, IXPs, and CDNs
will be forced to act.<br><br>
For more information:<br><br>
<a href="https://www.cisa.gov/telecommunications-service-priority-tsp">
https://www.cisa.gov/telecommunications-service-priority-tsp</a>�
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<a href="https://www.fcc.gov/general/telecommunications-service-priority" eudora="autourl">
https://www.fcc.gov/general/telecommunications-service-priority</a><br>
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Service_Priority">
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Service_Priority</a>�
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<font face="arial">These views are my own and do not reflect the opinions
or official stances of my employer etc etc.<br><br>
- Mike Bolitho<br>
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On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 9:27 AM Clayton Zekelman
<<a href="mailto:clayton@mnsi.net">clayton@mnsi.net</a>> wrote:
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<dd>Seems arbitrary.� � Lots of networks have lots of Netflix/etc
capacity.� Who determines what is "mission
critical"?� Our mission as an ISP is to deliver Internet to
our customers.� If they want to play online games or watch video,
who am I to say that isn't critical to THEIR mission?<br>
<dd>The last thing we need are a bunch of kids in quarantine that have
NOTHING to do because Mike Bolitho thinks their entertainment isn't part
of the "mission" of the Internet.<br>
<dd>About the only thing that might be useful is something to smooth out
the big jumps in utilization on game releases - but even that is
something that can be managed by adding capacity.<br>
<dd>To quote Jay Leno - Crunch All You Want, We'll Make More.<br>
<dd>At 12:16 PM 14/03/2020, Mike Bolitho
wrote:<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>Basically that. It's probably more streaming services that could
crowd out what would be considered "mission critical"
infrastructure. Maybe the Netflixs and Hulus of the world will limit 4K
streaming or something along those lines. Basically cap resolution to
720p for the time being.<font face="arial">
<dd>- Mike Bolitho</font><br>
<dd>On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 1:06 AM Hugo Slabbert
<<a href="mailto:hugo@slabnet.com">hugo@slabnet.com</a>> wrote:
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<dd>>Â The impact of all these bored school kids on the networks due
to gaming might cause some issues. I know that if I'm working from home
and my videoconferencing slows down because of someones gaming, I'm
taking the necessary action (read, change some rules on my firewall).Â
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<dd>People are welcome to do whatever they want on their own networks. I
just didn't get the suggestion that online gaming services would shut
down. Or were you saying, Mike, that online gaming would crowd out other
services and so "shut down" those other services?
<dd>On Fri., Mar. 13, 2020, 21:42 Owen DeLong
<<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:
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<dd>You don�t have kids, do you�
<dd>br>
<dd>They have the attention span off Koi these days. They�ll play
most games for about 15 minutes or so before downloading the next one.
(At least that�s been my observation of behavior among mg my GF�s
daughter r and her friends).
<dd>Owen<br>
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<dd>On Mar 13, 2020, at 20:31 , Darin Steffl
<<a href="mailto:darin.steffl@mnwifi.com">darin.steffl@mnwifi.com</a>
> wrote:
<dd>Playing games doesn't take much bandwidth. Downloading games does. So
as long as everyone already has their games and there's no updates,
playing the game is typically under 100 kbps which is negligible compared
to streaming video which takes 1 to 25 mbps.Â
<dd>On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 8:52 PM Sabri Berisha
<<a href="mailto:sabri@cluecentral.net">sabri@cluecentral.net</a>>
wrote:
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<dd>Hi,
<dd>I don't know where y'all live, but here in the SF Bay Area, pretty
much all public and private schools have closed down. My school district
(in Santa Clara County) will be closed until Spring Break.
<dd>The impact of all these bored school kids on the networks due to
gaming might cause some issues. I know that if I'm working from home and
my videoconferencing slows down because of someones gaming, I'm taking
the necessary action (read, change some rules on my firewall).Â
<dd>Thanks,
<dd>Sabri <br>
<dd>----- On Mar 13, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Hugo Slabbert
<<a href="mailto:hugo@slabnet.com">hugo@slabnet.com</a>> wrote:
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<dd>I think under circumstances like this, I could definitely see some of
the online based games shutting services down.<br><br>
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<dd>Â
<dd>How so?
<dd>Signed,
<dd>Someone who works for an online gaming company and has heard nothing
of this.
<dd>--Â
<dd>Hugo Slabbert� � �  | email, xmpp/jabber:
<a href="mailto:hugo@slabnet.com">hugo@slabnet.com</a>
<dd>pgp key: B178313E�  | also on Signal<br>
<dd>On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 2:52 PM Mike Bolitho
<<a href="mailto:mikebolitho@gmail.com">mikebolitho@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:
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<dd>I think under circumstances like this, I could definitely see some of
the online based games shutting services down.
<dd>- Mike Bolitho<br>
<dd>On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 2:41 PM Ahmed Borno
<<a href="mailto:amaged@gmail.com">amaged@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
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<dd>Its already happening in Italy, and now that schools are shutting
down here as well, its going to get interesting:Â
<dd>
<a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-12/housebound-italian-kids-strain-network-with-fortnite-marathon">
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-12/housebound-italian-kids-strain-network-with-fortnite-marathon</a>
<dd>The ultimate traffic test is coming, looking forward to hearing about
it on this thread.
<dd>Maybe its a good time to start a communication channel between
content providers/gaming companies and ISPs/CDNs.<br>
<dd>On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:22 AM Rubens Kuhl
<<a href="mailto:rubensk@gmail.com">rubensk@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<dd>On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 3:46 PM
<a href="mailto:g@1337.io">g@1337.io</a>
<<a href="mailto:lists@1337.io">lists@1337.io</a>> wrote:
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<dd>With talk of there being an involuntary statewide (WA) and then
national quarantines (house arrest) for multiple weeks, has anyone put
thought into the impacts of this on your networks if/when this comes to
fruition?
<dd>We're already pushing the limits with telecommuters / those that are
WFH, but I can only imagine what things will look like with everyone
stuck at home for any duration of time.<br>
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<dd>People will turn to you and every other ISP hoping you keep them
online. So besides demand issues, keeping your network up will be
important to a whole lot of people. <br>
<dd>Rubens
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Clayton Zekelman<br>
Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi)<br>
3363 Tecumseh Rd. E<br>
Windsor, Ontario<br>
N8W 1H4<br><br>
tel. 519-985-8410<br>
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Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi)<br>
3363 Tecumseh Rd. E<br>
Windsor, Ontario<br>
N8W 1H4<br><br>
tel. 519-985-8410<br>
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