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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/20/2020 10:41 AM, Dave Bell wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Not indiscriminate. </div>
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<div>Indiscriminate - <span
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that Daniel is complaining that QUIC is broken, it certainly
seems like some network operators are subjecting all UDP
traffic on their network to the same policers. This feels
pretty indiscriminate to me.</div>
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<div class="gmail-vmod" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">I'm
all for policing the known baddies, such as CHARGEN and NTP,
but to discard UDP for fun is like taking a sledgehammer
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<div dir="auto">Access networks need controls to maintain
uptime against the non-stop barrage of ddos attacks. I am
sure you have seen the headlines and mails on this list,
ddos is hard to deal with. Access network will use
whatever tools are required to keep the pagers quiet and
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<div>I operate an access network that does not blanket police
UDP. Google give me a dashboard that tell me 45% of
requests were served happily by QUIC, and I have no
customers complaining about things not working, and our
pagers are silent.</div>
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Dave, just wanted to say that I 100% agree with your comments. The
bad actors are well known. I believe treating all UDP as bad is
misguided. Like you, I assist in operation of several access
networks that do not blanket police UDP and my pager remains
relatively silent.<br>
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