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href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg" style="font-family:'times new roman';font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer"><img src="http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png" src="http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png"></a><span name="x"></span><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.norddahl@gmail.com><br><b>To: </b>nanog@nanog.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, February 16, 2020 10:08:12 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: Dual Homed BGP<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 12:45 PM Mark Tinka <<a href="mailto:mark.tinka@seacom.mu" target="_blank">mark.tinka@seacom.mu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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On 25/Jan/20 02:49, Baldur Norddahl wrote:<br>
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> The solution is to stay clear of tier 1 networks. Find a good local<br>
> tier 3. Whatever you are going to do, they will do better.<br>
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So all our transit comes from the top 7 "global" carriers. Yes,<br>
including Cogent :-).<br>
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But that only accounts for about 15% of our overall traffic. The rest<br>
comes from peering.<br>
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Mark.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>From the perspective of someone just starting out being dual homed, this will be very different. You are not going to get 7 transits and you are not going to be able to peer 85% of the traffic. That is why I advocate that it is better to buy transit from a middle tier company. Instead of getting a connection to just one so called global carrier, you get a package deal with connection to all of them and 85% peering one step removed. Plus many of the companies that the middle tier has a peering with, is something the tier 1 companies would refuse to peer (exception Hurricane Electric).</div><div><br></div><div>Also while your company may not need dual connections to each transit, the situation is completely different from the perspective of a small dual homed customer of yours. That is a lot of paths that are lost if this customer where to experience a disruption to the connection to your network.</div><div><br></div><div>This is especially true if there is an unbalance between the two chosen transit providers. Say the other provider is Cogent, which are famous for refusing to peer. That means that all those peers, unless they have a Cogent contract, they will need to find an indirect path to replace your peering.</div><div><br></div><div>Of course I may also recommend to simply set your expectations modestly. Dual homing will get you redundancy but unless you line up all your ducks correctly, you should expect some brownouts in the case of a link failure. Simply tell the boss, that unless he wants to pay at least double in every way, there will be expected downtime in the order of 5 minuttes in the case of a link failure.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Baldur</div><div><br></div><div> </div></div></div>
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