<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 31, 2020, at 09:38 , David Conrad <<a href="mailto:drc@virtualized.org" class="">drc@virtualized.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Ronald,</span><div class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Speaking only for myself…</div><div class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">As I’ve recently seen complaints about RIRs directed to ICANN (in a different context than the issues at AfriNIC), a bit of clarification may be in order:<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="" style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">What can or should be done when a registry goes rogue?<br class=""></blockquote></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>In my view, it is primarily the responsibility of the community served the the RIR to reign it in if it goes rogue.</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><span class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular;">And to be clear, I am most definitely *not* talking about</span><br class=""><span class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">an investigation performed by what is effectively AFRINIC's parent company,</span><br class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">ICANN. </span></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">ICANN is not the parent company of AfriNIC (or any other RIR, some of which existed prior to ICANN being created). While ICANN recognizes new RIRs (according to <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/new-rirs-criteria-2012-02-25-en" class="">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/new-rirs-criteria-2012-02-25-en</a>) and recognizes “global policies” that reach consensus across all RIRs, there are no policies, processes, or mechanisms by which ICANN can exert any form of control over the RIRs. ICANN performs a set of functions for the RIRs at their request via the IANA functions and can be seen in that light as a service provider to the RIRs.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It is probably most accurate to view ICANN and the RIRs as peer organizations, connected operationally via the IANA functions, which primarily focus on different universes (domain names in ICANN’s case, IP addresses in the RIRs’ case).</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>It is sad to see this statement coming from someone so high up in ICANN…</div><div><br class=""></div><div>So often ICANN has focused strictly on that first N.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I would say it is more accurate to refer to ICANN in the context of the RIRs as a vendor and little more. ICANN performs services (maintenance of the central registry and coordination of large blocks of number resources being delegated to the individual RIRs from that central registry). Technically, I believe this is done through PTI, though I admit that I still haven’t managed to gain 100% clarity on how the PTI<->ICANN relationship functions or whether the RIRs are contracted to ICANN or to PTI or to both.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><span style="font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 10px;" class="">And since ICANN calls the tune with respect to all Internet governance</span></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><span class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 10px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">matters<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>I suspect the folks at the RIRs, Internet Society, IGF, ITU, W3C, ETSI, IETF, IAB, etc. may not agree with this assertion.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div></div>Speaking only for myself, I certainly don’t agree with this assertion.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>