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<p class="MsoNormal">Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that it’s become a wavelength problem at this point with 4G in high-density areas. 5Gs shorter but higher in spectrum wavelength will need more nodes per square kilometer but have a much higher limit
to its bandwidth ceiling. I believe the numbers I saw were something along the lines of 10k people per square kilometer for 4G, and 1M people per square kilometer for 5G at the 300GHz wavelength.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-- Ryland<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Mike Hammett<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 3, 2020 7:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shane Ronan <shane@ronan-online.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: 5G roadblock: labor<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Why?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>
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Midwest-IX<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">"Shane Ronan" <<a href="mailto:shane@ronan-online.com">shane@ronan-online.com</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Mike Hammett" <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net">nanog@ics-il.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"Mark Tinka" <<a href="mailto:mark.tinka@seacom.mu">mark.tinka@seacom.mu</a>>, "North American Network Operators' Group" <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Friday, January 3, 2020 7:56:57 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: 5G roadblock: labor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">In locations with high population densities, there is nothing you can do to LTE to provide adequate service.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 8:46 AM Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" target="_blank">nanog@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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"towers" you have... does it matter much if it's LTE or NR? You're adding hundreds of megs if not gigs of capacity with LTE.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Mike Hammett<br>
Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>
<a href="http://www.ics-il.com" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br>
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Midwest-IX<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">"Mark Tinka" <<a href="mailto:mark.tinka@seacom.mu" target="_blank">mark.tinka@seacom.mu</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Saku Ytti" <<a href="mailto:saku@ytti.fi" target="_blank">saku@ytti.fi</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Friday, January 3, 2020 3:36:52 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: 5G roadblock: labor<br>
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On 3/Jan/20 11:25, Saku Ytti wrote:<br>
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> Yes markets differ, and this is not 4G/5G question, only thing 5G does<br>
> is help markets which struggle to provide sufficient service in dense<br>
> metro installations.<br>
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Which brings us full circle - what's the cost of hooking those dense<br>
cities up to 5G in 2020 vs. running fibre to an 802.11ac|ax access point<br>
to serve its residents and visitors, in 2020?<br>
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And more interestingly, if that city's residents and visitors had the<br>
option of connecting to active 5G or wi-fi, what do we think they'd choose?<br>
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Mark.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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