<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>I would still find it hard to believe you would need that kind of speed, today, in any reasonable situation. Also, today's infrastructure can more than handle that in most places. Where it can't, 5G isn't going to be there for a very long time or some other method would fix it first (such as improved backhaul or site densification with existing technologies).<div><br></div><div>I'm not saying what we have will work for us forever, but it will solve no current problems. There is no need to rush like the network is on fire.<br><br><div><span name="x"></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>http://www.ics-il.com<br><br>Midwest-IX<br>http://www.midwest-ix.com<span name="x"></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Shane Ronan" <shane@ronan-online.com><br><b>To: </b>"Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net><br><b>Cc: </b>"Sabri Berisha" <sabri@cluecentral.net>, "nanog" <nanog@nanog.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, December 31, 2019 8:02:08 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: 5G roadblock: labor<br><br><div dir="auto">Phones aren't the only devices supported by mobile networks. There are many other devices. My laptop for example has a 4G SIM card, as does my MiFi. Sometimes my phone needs to be used as a hotspot to support multiple devices.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">All of these are based on current use cases, ignoring use cases that will become available in the future based on the ability to support higher bandwidths.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Shane<br><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 31, 2019, 8:56 AM Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" target="_blank">nanog@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">I figured someone would bring that likely misquote out at some point. I say likely misquote because there is no evidence that he actually said it.<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Now... now very, very few have any "need" for 25 megabit/s via mobile service to their phone. You would be hard-pressed to find an actual need for more than 5 megabit/s to a phone and yet in most areas, you can get well into double-digits on your phone with existing technology and infrastructure. Hell, I can often get over 100 megabit/s on my phone. Seems to work for me.<br><br><div><span></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br><a href="http://www.ics-il.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br><br>Midwest-IX<br><a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><span></span><br></div><br><hr id="m_-234741591035392249zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><b>From: </b>"Sabri Berisha" <<a href="mailto:sabri@cluecentral.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sabri@cluecentral.net</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Brian J. Murrell" <<a href="mailto:brian@interlinx.bc.ca" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">brian@interlinx.bc.ca</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"nanog" <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, December 30, 2019 6:52:55 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: 5G roadblock: labor<br><br>----- On Dec 30, 2019, at 12:54 PM, Brian J. Murrell <a href="mailto:brian@interlinx.bc.ca" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">brian@interlinx.bc.ca</a> wrote:<br><br>> Who needs 25mbits to their phone?<br><br>Who needs more than 640Kb of memory?<br><br>We don't know what the future holds. This is an interesting read, featuring 5g to perform a "hologram" phone call:<br><a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45009458" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45009458</a><br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Sabri<br></div><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div>
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