<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>Oh, for sure it's driven by equipment manufacturers.<br><br><div><span name="x"></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>http://www.ics-il.com<br><br>Midwest-IX<br>http://www.midwest-ix.com<span name="x"></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com><br><b>To: </b>"Brian J. Murrell" <brian@interlinx.bc.ca><br><b>Cc: </b>"nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, December 30, 2019 4:39:23 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: 5G roadblock: labor<br><br>On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 4:11 PM Brian J. Murrell <brian@interlinx.bc.ca> wrote:<br>><br>> On Mon, 2019-12-30 at 09:50 -0500, Shane Ronan wrote:<br>> ><br>> > Also, keep in mind that 10 years ago, you didn't know you would want<br>> > or<br>> > need 25mbits to your phone,<br>><br>> Who needs 25mbits to their phone?<br>><br><br>this is the wrong argument to make... or at the least it distracts<br>from the conversation about: "Why 5g?" because everyone can come up<br>with a reason for/against N mbps to Xthing. (I think this is sort of<br>shane's point, actually)<br><br>4G/LTE:<br> o started the migration/consolidation of voice/video/data to a<br>single bearer (well, IP anyway).<br> o moved the (ideally) IP endpoint closer to the tower base<br> o removed some latency, jitter, intermediaries between 'End-User'<br>and "thing on the network"<br><br>5G:<br> o supposedly reduces latency 'more' (brings more of the IP<br>connection and routing closer to the tower/radio?)<br> o simplifies management? (maybe?)<br><br>keeping speed out of the conversation, the footprint for MANY 5g<br>deploymetns in the US (and elsewhere) is likely 'hundreds of feet<br>circles', where 4G is 'miles'.<br>(yes you can beam-form and make ovals and such...)<br><br>It'd be nice to see what benefits 5g really has for carriers and<br>consumers/users... It looks, to me, like a bunch of the 5g hype is<br>really: "uhm, we need to sell these carriers on the G++ ... spin up<br>the hype machine about speed!" never mind the cost to deploy, range of<br>deployment, changes in handset/radio gear / etc... more $ to the<br>vendors!<br><br>-chris<br></div><br></div></body></html>