<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">That’s a one-time fee for end-users (and it can be as low as $250 unless you need a /40 or more).<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you’re an ISP, then yes, it’s $500 per year if you need a /40 or more (or as little as $250 if you can</div><div class="">get buy on less than a /40).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 1, 2019, at 17:23 , Matthew Kaufman <<a href="mailto:matthew@matthew.at" class="">matthew@matthew.at</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">I get $500, not $150, when I read the price list.</div></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 4:06 PM Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class="">You’re saying that there are two networks that are of sufficient complexity/size/whatever to require PA addressing, yet lack the resources for $150/year in registration fees?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I suppose it’s not impossible, but I’m wondering how they afford the other expenses associated with maintaining such a network.</div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 30, 2019, at 09:00 , Matthew Kaufman <<a href="mailto:matthew@matthew.at" target="_blank" class="">matthew@matthew.at</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px" dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem" class="">I administer two networks that use legacy IPv4 blocks (one also uses an allocation from the 44 net)</div></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem;color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px" class="">Both could have IPv6 if it was free, but neither organization has the funds to waste on a paid IPv6 allocation.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem;color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px" class="">We should have given every legacy block matching free IPv6 space, because early adopters are still sometimes early adopters. </div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem;color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px" class="">But you’re right, what could have been supported on a volunteer basis is now a profit center. Especially for IPv6, which is once-and-done if sized properly.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem;color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px" class="">Matthew Kaufman</div></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 2:29 PM <<a href="mailto:bzs@theworld.com" target="_blank" class="">bzs@theworld.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br class="">
If the commitment really was to spread IPv6 far and wide IPv6 blocks<br class="">
would be handed out for free, one per qualified customer (e.g., if you<br class="">
have an IPv4 allocation you get one IPv6 block free), or perhaps some<br class="">
trivial administrative fee like $10 per year.<br class="">
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But the RIRs can't live on that.<br class="">
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We have put them under the management of a group of five organizations<br class="">
which are very dependent on the income from block allocations and no<br class="">
doubt were hoping IPv6 allocations would be a boon since there will be<br class="">
very little if any income growth from future IPv4 block allocations.<br class="">
<br class="">
Worse, once acquired an IPv6 block has so many billions of addresses<br class="">
very few if any would ever need another allocation so it would hardly<br class="">
act as a loss leader.<br class="">
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I realize many still would not deploy IPv6 for various reasons such as<br class="">
their equipment doesn't support it or they don't have the in-house<br class="">
expertise to support it, etc tho I can't think of much other etc, a<br class="">
few points of resistance do come up.<br class="">
<br class="">
-- <br class="">
-Barry Shein<br class="">
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