<div><div dir="auto">I get $500, not $150, when I read the price list.</div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 4:06 PM Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">You’re saying that there are two networks that are of sufficient complexity/size/whatever to require PA addressing, yet lack the resources for $150/year in registration fees?<div><br></div><div>I suppose it’s not impossible, but I’m wondering how they afford the other expenses associated with maintaining such a network.</div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Nov 30, 2019, at 09:00 , Matthew Kaufman <<a href="mailto:matthew@matthew.at" target="_blank">matthew@matthew.at</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div><div style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px" dir="auto"><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem">I administer two networks that use legacy IPv4 blocks (one also uses an allocation from the 44 net)</div></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem;color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px">Both could have IPv6 if it was free, but neither organization has the funds to waste on a paid IPv6 allocation.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem;color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px">We should have given every legacy block matching free IPv6 space, because early adopters are still sometimes early adopters. </div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem;color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px">But you’re right, what could have been supported on a volunteer basis is now a profit center. Especially for IPv6, which is once-and-done if sized properly.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:1rem;color:rgb(49,49,49);word-spacing:1px">Matthew Kaufman</div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 2:29 PM <<a href="mailto:bzs@theworld.com" target="_blank">bzs@theworld.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
If the commitment really was to spread IPv6 far and wide IPv6 blocks<br>
would be handed out for free, one per qualified customer (e.g., if you<br>
have an IPv4 allocation you get one IPv6 block free), or perhaps some<br>
trivial administrative fee like $10 per year.<br>
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But the RIRs can't live on that.<br>
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We have put them under the management of a group of five organizations<br>
which are very dependent on the income from block allocations and no<br>
doubt were hoping IPv6 allocations would be a boon since there will be<br>
very little if any income growth from future IPv4 block allocations.<br>
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Worse, once acquired an IPv6 block has so many billions of addresses<br>
very few if any would ever need another allocation so it would hardly<br>
act as a loss leader.<br>
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I realize many still would not deploy IPv6 for various reasons such as<br>
their equipment doesn't support it or they don't have the in-house<br>
expertise to support it, etc tho I can't think of much other etc, a<br>
few points of resistance do come up.<br>
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