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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>Thanks Mike for the info on GNS3…. My info is old, I’ll have to take a look at the recent GNS3 sometime soon…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>-Aaron<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Mike Bolitho [mailto:mikebolitho@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 16, 2019 1:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> Aaron Gould<br><b>Cc:</b> Tom Beecher; Ryland Kremeier; nanog@nanog.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Viability of GNS3 network simulation for testing features/configurations.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>EVE-NG is also really good. Just an FYI, GNS3 went through a major refresh about 18 months ago or so and it's so much better now. Either way, you can't go wrong with GNS3 or EVE-NG.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br>- Mike Bolitho</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 11:18 AM Aaron Gould <<a href="mailto:aaron1@gvtc.com">aaron1@gvtc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>Oh, forgot the links…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><a href="http://www.eve-ng.net/" target="_blank">http://www.eve-ng.net/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'><a href="http://www.eve-ng.net/documentation/howto-s" target="_blank">http://www.eve-ng.net/documentation/howto-s</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> NANOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog-bounces@nanog.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Aaron Gould<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 16, 2019 1:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Mike Bolitho'; 'Tom Beecher'; 'Ryland Kremeier'<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Viability of GNS3 network simulation for testing features/configurations.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>I’ve used GNS3 some years ago for a lot of simulation and testing. But, I’m blown away at how much more I like EVE-NG (emulated virtual environment next-gen)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>I use the community free version… lots of vendor OS support… of which, I’ve actually work with the following….</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-2372413889285311021msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>-</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#44546A'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>XRv</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-2372413889285311021msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>-</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#44546A'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>IOS virtual</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-2372413889285311021msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>-</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#44546A'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>vMX</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-2372413889285311021msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>-</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#44546A'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>vSRX</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m-2372413889285311021msolistparagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>-</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#44546A'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>vQFX</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>…check your in-box for a screen shot of my current environment.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'>-Aaron</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> NANOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog-bounces@nanog.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Bolitho<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 16, 2019 12:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> Tom Beecher<br><b>Cc:</b> <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Viability of GNS3 network simulation for testing features/configurations.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Totally agree with Tom here. It's going to work really well for most things. But if you're testing code for bugs you NEED to do it on the same hardware you have in your environment in an actual lab.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br>- Mike Bolitho</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 9:56 AM Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>GNS3 can do a heck of a lot, and the price is definitely right. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I have used it extensively for initial fleshing out of designs or ideas, protocol nerding, automation interaction testing, etc. There certainly other tools out there, but being able to visually draw a topology out, connect the dots, and have an environment to test in about 10 minutes is very nice. There is an API you can hook into to do some of that for you if you are so inclined, but that would depend on your use case and resources. For how I've used it, never been required. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Some of the VMs from vendors can be pretty CPU and/or RAM intensive, so I've had the best experience running them all on a dedicated server, not locally. Again, use case dependent. For code testing I would always run the test set on hardware as well for likely obvious reasons. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>If you really get into the weeds with it you can do quite a lot.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 11:52 AM Ryland Kremeier <<a href="mailto:rkremeier@barryelectric.com" target="_blank">rkremeier@barryelectric.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hello,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I’m currently in the process of setting up a near identical network to our own in GNS3 for testing purposes. Has anyone here tried this before to any success? We need to buy the Cisco IOSv image to continue with the sim so I figured I would inquire here first before diving in.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>All info is appreciated,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ryland Kremeier<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>