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Sprint peering battle. Google it<br>2. He.net peering battle. Google it.<br>3. Google IPv6 peering battle. Google it.<br><br>All of which point to them being pompous assholes.<br><br>They also run their links hot which create latency for anything flowing through it.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Mike<br><br>> On Sep 16, 2019, at 15:59, Stephen M. <stephen.myspam@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> <br>> Please don’t praise or complain like we’re supposed to take it at a total face value. If you don’t like them so much - we are you’re audience. Explain. <br>> <br>> If you like Cogent - explain.<br>> If you don’t like Cogent - explain.<br>> <br>> Cheers,<br>> Stephen<br>> <br>> //please pardon any brevities - sent from mobile//<br>> <br>>> On Sep 16, 2019, at 10:01 PM, Mike Lyon <mike.lyon@gmail.com> wrote:<br>>> <br>>> Whenever asked about Cogent, i just say, “Friends don’t let friends use Cogent.”<br>>> <br>>> I’ve told two of their reps over the past two years that even if the service was free, i wouldn’t use it. And yet, they still call.<br>>> <br>>> -Mike<br>>> <br>>>>> On Sep 16, 2019, at 13:53, Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg@tristatelogic.com> wrote:<br>>>>> <br>>>>> In message <E814E5F6-F386-4AAE-BADA-E423D299A4FB@delong.com>, <br>>>>> Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:<br>>>>> <br>>>>> Given their practice of harvesting whois updates in order to spam newly<br>>>>> acquired AS contacts, any time it is my decision, Cogent is ineligible<br>>>>> as a vendor.<br>>>> <br>>>> So I guess then that their aiding and abetting of fraud and IP block<br>>>> theft, as I documented here recently, is an entirely secondary concern...<br>>>> as long as they don't spam you, yes?<br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> Regards,<br>>>> rfg<br></div><br></div></div></body></html>