<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 26, 2019, at 21:59 , Doug Barton <<a href="mailto:dougb@dougbarton.us" class="">dougb@dougbarton.us</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">Responding to no one in particular, and not representing views of
any current or former employer ...</p><p class="">I find all of this hullabaloo to be ... fascinating. A little
background to frame my comments below. I was GM of the IANA in the
early 2000's, I held a tech license from 1994 through 2004 (I gave
it up because life changed, and I no longer had time; but I still
have all my toys, err, I mean, gear); and I have known two of the
ARDC board members and one of the advisors listed at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ampr.org/amprnet/">https://www.ampr.org/amprnet/</a> for over fifteen years. I consider
them all friends, and trust their judgement explicitly. One of
them I've known for over 20 years, and consider a close and very
dear friend. <br class="">
</p><p class="">There have been a number of points over the past 30 years where
anyone who genuinely cared about this space could have used any
number of mechanisms to raise concerns over how it's been managed,
and by whom. I cannot help but think that some of this current
sound and fury is an excuse to express righteous indignation for
its own sake. The folks involved with ARDC have been caring for
the space for a long time. From my perspective, seeing the writing
on the wall regarding the upcoming friction around IPv4 space as
an asset with monetary value increasing exponentially, they took
quite reasonable steps to create a legal framework to ensure that
their ability to continue managing the space would be protected.
Some of you may remember that other groups, like the IETF, were
taking similar steps before during and after that same time frame.
Sure, you can complain about what was done, how it was done, etc.;
but where were you then? Are you sure that at least part of your
anger isn't due to the fact that all of these things have happened
over the last 20 years, and you had no idea they were happening? <br class=""></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Certainly part of my anger is that I did not know some of them were happening.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>However, most of my anger is around the fact that:</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>It never in a million years would have occurred to me that these people who I also consider friends and also trust explicitly</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>would take this particular action without significant prior (and much wider) consultation with the amateur radio community.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I believe this was done quietly and carefully orchestrated specifically to avoid any risk of successful backlash by the time</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>the community became aware of this particular intended action.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>If you want to say shame on us for trusting these people and not noticing the severe corporate governance problems with ARDC until</div><div>they took this particular action, then I suppose that’s a fair comment.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">
</p><p class="">So let's talk a little about what "stewardship" means. Many folks
have complained about how ARDC has not done a good job of $X
function that stewards of the space should perform. Do you think
having some money in the bank will help contribute to their
ability to do that? Has anyone looked at how much of the space is
actually being used now, and what percentage reduction in
available space carving out a /10 actually represents? And
nowadays when IPv6 is readily available essentially "for free,"
how much is the amateur community actually being affected by this?
<br class=""></p></div></div></blockquote><div>All of those are good questions. I don’t have data to answer any of them other than that removing a /10 from a /8 is obviously a 25% reduction in the total space, so clearly a somewhat larger (though I don’t know by how much) reduction in available space since available space is some fraction of the remaining 1.5 /9s.</div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">
</p><p class="">And with all due respect to Jon (and I mean that sincerely), what
did it/does it really mean that "Jon gave $PERSON the space for
$REASON" 30 years later? Jon was a brilliant guy, but from what
I've been told would also be one of the first to admit when he
made a mistake. One of which, and one that he actively campaigned
to fix, was the idea of classful address space to start with, and
particularly the idea that it was OK to hand out massive chunks of
it to anyone who asked. As a former ham I definitely appreciate
the concept of them having space to play ... errr, experiment
with. But did they ever, <i class="">really, </i>need a /8? Historically,
what percentage of that space has ever actually been used? And as
Dave Conrad pointed out, given all of the "historical" allocations
that have been revisited and/or repurposed already, is taking
another look at 44/8 really that far out of line? <br class=""></p></div></div></blockquote><div>Taking another look is not at all out of line. Discarding 25% of it before letting the community in question on a broader scale take a look is absolutely very far out of line IMHO.</div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">
</p><p class="">Now all that said, if any of my friends had asked me how I
thought news of this sale should have been handled, I would have
told them that this reaction that we're seeing now is 100%
predictable, and while it could never be eliminated entirely it
could be limited in scope and ferocity by getting ahead of the
message. At minimum when the transfer occurred. But that doesn't
change anything about my opinion that the sale itself was totally
reasonable, done by reasonable people, and in keeping with the
concept of being good stewards of the space. <br class=""></p></div></div></blockquote></div>In actual fact, had the ARDC board approached the broader amateur radio community with a plan to sell the space, it’s entirely likely that I would have lent my support to the plan. That does not change the fact that I feel it was beyond their mandate and out of line for them to take the action first and neither consult the community before nor after.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>