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<p class="MsoPlainText">FYI, <i>Bloomberg BusinessWeek</i> published <u>TODAY</u> a 3,200-word article by Felix Gillette entitled<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><b>"Section 230 Was Supposed to Make the Internet a Better Place. It Failed"<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-08-07/section-230-was-supposed-to-make-the-internet-a-better-place-it-failed">https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-08-07/section-230-was-supposed-to-make-the-internet-a-better-place-it-failed</a>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> On Behalf Of Mel Beckman<br>
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:36 PM<br>
To: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com><br>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org<br>
Subject: Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">John,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Please reread my comments. I did not say “carriers” and specifically excluded the FCC’s definition. I said “Common Carriers”, as defined by Common Law. The DMCA asserts that they must operate as CCs under this definition: in order to
get protection under Safe Harbor they must function as a “passive conduit” of information.
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<p class="MsoPlainText">-mel via cell<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> On Aug 6, 2019, at 7:36 PM, John Levine <<a href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">johnl@iecc.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> In article <<a href="mailto:6956E76B-E6B7-409F-A636-C7607BFD881C@beckman.org"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">6956E76B-E6B7-409F-A636-C7607BFD881C@beckman.org</span></a>> you write:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> Mehmet,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">>> I’m not sure if you understand the terms under which ISPs operate as “common carriers”, and thus enjoy immunity from lawsuits due to the acts of their customers.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> ISPs in the U.S. are not carriers and never have been. Even the ISPs
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> that are subsidaries of telcos, which are common carriers for their
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> telco operations, are not common carriers for their ISPs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> This should not come as surprise to anyone who's spent 15 minutes
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> looking at the relevant law.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> ISPs are probably protected by <span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">
47 USC 230(c)(1</span>) but all of the case <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> law I know is related to web sites or hosting providers.<o:p></o:p></p>
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