<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Josh, <div class="">That’s great. I’m assuming your traffic is mainly inbound. So, my question is, do you have a threshold that defines your traffic ratio type.</div><div class="">I’m taking an example from this thread. Say, your average incoming traffic is ~45 gbps, and outgoing traffic is ~4.5 gbps. So, your outbound:inbound = 1:10. What are you? Heavy Inbound?</div><div class="">Extending this example, if your ratio is 1:7 or 1:6, then, what would you claim to be? A ‘Mostly Inbound’? Or still call yourself as Heavy Inbound? I’m just trying to understand what is the community practice?</div><div class="">Thank you. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-</div><div class="">Prasun</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 19, 2019, at 4:23 PM, Josh Luthman <<a href="mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com" class="">josh@imaginenetworksllc.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">>my question was more like to understand when an ISP decides to claim itself as any of these (Heavy Outbound/ Inbound or Balanced)<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Maybe I'm missing something but it's as simple as looking at the interface graphs. We see a whole lot of green for inbound and a little little blue line for outbound. We are an ISP with residential and commercial customers.<br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>Josh Luthman<br class="">Office: 937-552-2340<br class="">Direct: 937-552-2343<br class="">1100 Wayne St<br class="">Suite 1337<br class="">Troy, OH 45373</div></div></div><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 4:20 PM Prasun Dey <<a href="mailto:prasun@nevada.unr.edu" class="">prasun@nevada.unr.edu</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" class=""><div class="">Hi Martijn and Josh,</div>Thank you for your detailed explanation. Let me explain my requirement so that you may help me better.<div class="">According to PeeringDB, Charter (Access), Sprint (Transit), Amazon (Content) all three of them are ‘Balanced’. While, Cable One, an Access ISP says it is Heavy Inbound, while Akamai, Netflix (Content) are Heavy Outbound. On the other hand, Cox, another access ISP, it says that it is Mostly Inbound.</div><div class="">So, my question was more like to understand when an ISP decides to claim itself as any of these (Heavy Outbound/ Inbound or Balanced)? From an ISP’s own point of view, at what point, it says, my outbound:inbound is something, so I’m Heavy Outbound. <div class="">Please ignore my lack of knowledge in this area. I’m sorry I should’ve done a better job in formulating my question earlier.</div><div class="">Thank you.<br class=""><div class=""><br class="gmail-m_-2602804998269103976webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class="">-</div><div class="">Prasun</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">
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It kinda depends on the application that's being used. For example, videogaming has a ratio somewhere around 1:2.5 since you're only transmitting metadata about the players environment across the wire. The actual video is typically rendered at the end user's
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Compare that with a videostream (watching a movie or TV series) and you're pumping the rendered video across the wire, so there's a very different ratio. Your return path traffic would pretty much consist of control stuff only (like pushing the pause button).<br class="">
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Some networks are dedicated to serving one type of content, whereas others might have a blend of different kinds of content. Same story for an access network geared to business users which want to use emails and such, vs residential end users looking for the
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<div dir="ltr" class="">If you're asking an ISP, consumers will always be inbound. It's the end user. The outbound would be where the information is coming from, like data centers.
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<span style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-size:17px" class="">Hello,</span>
<div style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-size:17px" dir="auto" class="">Good morning.</div>
<div style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-size:17px" dir="auto" class="">I’m a Ph.D. candidate from University of Central Florida. I have a query, I hope you can help me with it or at least point me to the right direction.</div>
<div style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-size:17px" dir="auto" class="">I’ve seen from PeeringDB that every ISP reveals its traffic ratio as Heavy/ Mostly Inbound or Balanced or Heavy/ Mostly Outbound. </div>
<div style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-size:17px" dir="auto" class="">I’m wondering if there is any specific ratio numbers for them. In Norton’s Internet Peering Playbook or some other literary work, they mention the outbound:inbound traffic ratio as 1:1.2
to up to 1:3 for Balanced. But, I couldn’t find the other values.</div>
<div style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-size:17px" dir="auto" class="">I’d really appreciate your help if you can please mention what Outbound:Inbound ratios that network admins use frequently to represent their traffic ratios for </div>
<div style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-size:17px" dir="auto" class="">1. Heavy Inbound:</div>
<div style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-size:17px" dir="auto" class="">2. Mostly Inbound:</div>
<div style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-size:17px" dir="auto" class="">3. Mostly Outbound:</div>
<div style="font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-size:17px" dir="auto" class="">4. Heavy Outbound:</div>
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