<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>There's little doubt that this thread has caused an order of magnitude more messages in people's inboxes than the SPAM they're talking about.<br><br><div><span name="x"></span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 1; word-spacing: 0px;"><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 1; word-spacing: 0px;"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; 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(either directly or scraped) agonizing, over<br>and over.<br><br>I've been involved in the spam problems since before some of you were<br>bornt (ok I'll stop with the stupid past participles), late 90s, and<br>the net since the 1970s.<br><br>Instead of this non-stop quarter century of agonizing maybe it's high<br>time to admit failure, that we designed a system which is subject to<br>spam and that was a mistake, a big mistake.<br><br>I know, where's the FUSSP, the proposal, so you can shoot it down?<br><br>I won't do that, not here.<br><br>But I do think we need, and have needed for a couple of decades, some<br>sort of radical rethink.<br><br>Times have changed, ideas which were not practical 20 years ago are<br>perhaps possible today due to, if nothing else, cheaper, faster<br>hardware and networks etc.<br><br>I guess I'm an idealist but I also get a little sick of the endless<br>cycle of complaining, agonizing, and assertions that everything has<br>been tried and nothing can help which mostly amount to we like/hate<br>email just as it is.<br><br>-- <br> -Barry Shein<br><br>Software Tool & Die | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com<br>Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD<br>The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo*<br></div><br></div></body></html>