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--></style></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>RSA (</span><a href="https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/rsa.pdf"><span lang=EN-US>https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/rsa.pdf</span></a><span lang=EN-US>) clearly state that the services are subject to the terms and conditions stated in the policy manual.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>There is explicit text in case of lack of payment. Not so clear what to do if there is a policy violation, but it looks like at a minimum, you will not get further services neither further resources.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Bylaws (</span><a href="https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/bylaws/#bylaws-of-american-registry-for-internet-numbers-ltd"><span lang=EN-US>https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/bylaws/#bylaws-of-american-registry-for-internet-numbers-ltd</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>) don’t explicitly talk about the obligations of members. This may be related to US law, that you don’t need to explicitly say that behavior against other members is forbidden. In some countries, it is evident that if a member of an association is not following the rules (policies) or is acting against the rights of other members, it can be expelled.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>As I said before, we may need another policy proposal to stated what to do.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Why a different policy proposal? Because the same policy section must be related to other policy violations (may be with warnings in case of policy violations and resource recovery only in extreme cases or repetitive misbehavior – this is the case in RIPE), if that’s not clear already in the bylaws, US laws, or RSA.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>For me, it is obvious that an association MUST protect members about *<b>any</b>* misbehavior of other members. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><br>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>El 27/4/19 0:58, "NANOG en nombre de William Herrin" <<a href="mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org">nanog-bounces@nanog.org</a> en nombre de <a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us">bill@herrin.us</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 2:36 PM Jon Lewis <<a href="mailto:jlewis@lewis.org">jlewis@lewis.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Maybe I missed it in the proposal, but I don't see that it actually says <br>what ARIN will do other than produce a report "Yep, our expert panel says <br>this is hijacked.". What's the expected result (other than the report)? <br>i.e. What action is ARIN expected to take after it's determined a route <br>advertisement is a hijacking that will make a difference?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Tough question! If the author's petition succeeds so he's not cut off at the knees by the Advisory Council's out-of-scope ruling, I'll look forward to hearing how he answers.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>Bill Herrin<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:35.4pt'>William Herrin ................ <a href="mailto:herrin@dirtside.com" target="_blank">herrin@dirtside.com</a> <a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank">bill@herrin.us</a><br>Dirtside Systems ......... 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