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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/19 5:18 AM, Mauricio Rodriguez
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          understanding is that 2-factor is one of the primary drivers
          for webauthn.  I feel that hardware dongles are the thing of
          the past, with software now being available that runs on your
          smartphone and serves the same function.  Example - Google
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    <p>2FA is fine, but the real problem is one factor passwords going
      over the wire. If we did nothing than get rid of that, it would be
      a massive upgrade to security on the net.</p>
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                know it's a little tangential, but it's a huge
                operational issue for network operations too. Have any
                NANOG folks been paying attention to webauthn? i didn't
                know about until yesterday, though i wrote a proof of
                concept of something that looks a lot like webauthn in
                2012. The thing that is kind of concerning to me is that
                there seems to be some amount of misconception (I hope!)
                that you need hardware or biometric or some non-password
                based authentication on the user device in the many
                write ups i've been reading. i sure hope that
                misconception doesn't take hold because there is nothing
                wrong with *local* password based authentication to
                unlock your credentials. i fear that if the
                misconception takes hold, it will cause the entire
                effort to tank. the issue with passwords is transmitting
                them over the wire, first and foremost. strong *local*
                passwords that unlock functionality is still perfectly
                fine for many many applications, IMO.</span></p>
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                isn't to say that hardware/biometric is bad, it's just
                to say that they are separable problems with their own
                set of tradeoffs. NANOG folks sound like prime examples
                of who should be using 2 factor, etc. But we don't want
                to discourage, oh say, Epicurious to implement webauthn
                to get to my super-secret recipe box because they don't
                think people will buy id dongles.<br>
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