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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">AKA Too Big To Care. Happens a lot.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 11:36 AM Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net">nanog@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Oh, you ordered cross connects for a PNI and they stopped responding mid-project? Isn't that nice!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>
<a href="http://www.ics-il.com" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br>
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Midwest-IX<br>
<a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com" target="_blank">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">"Luca Salvatore via NANOG" <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"North American Network Operators' Group" <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, January 30, 2019 9:45:29 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Amazon Peering<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Similar experiences here with Amazon. Initially had semi-regular responses from their peering team, they issued LOAs, I ordered the x-connects and then radio silence for months. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">At the point now where I'm disconnecting x-connects since it's a waste of money.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 10:49 AM Brooks Swinnerton <<a href="mailto:bswinnerton@gmail.com" target="_blank">bswinnerton@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">I also saw sessions come up this weekend, no routes yet though.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Definitely moving forward now. Someone from Amazon was working with my peering group and things started coming up this weekend, so it seems like they're catching up pretty good
now. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 2:45 PM Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" target="_blank">nanog@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Let us know your success as well. I'll hold off following up on my requests until I see that other people are successful. I don't want
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Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>
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<b>To: </b>"Jason Lixfeld" <<a href="mailto:jason%2Bnanog@lixfeld.ca" target="_blank">jason+nanog@lixfeld.ca</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"North American Network Operators' Group" <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, January 24, 2019 1:38:51 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Amazon Peering<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">We circled back with them yesterday on a request we made in late November where at the time they said they wouldn’t be turned up until 2019 due to holiday network change freeze.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">They responded within about 4 hours, thanked us for our patience and understanding and said we should expect them to be turned up in about 6 weeks, which is apparently their typical
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">I hate to necro-thread , but has anyone seen any movement from Amazon on this? I just got a Strongly Worded Message about it, and according to my peering team , it's been radio
silence for months. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">This is a note I received on Oct18 when checking on a peering request submitted on Aug7.. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">“Apologies for the delays here. We have temporarily frozen IX peering as we revise some of our automation processes. I’m hopeful this will be unblocked by early November. Thank
you for your continued patience.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">It seems wasteful for Amazon to connect to an IX but then ignore peering requests for a year.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">They have 40G of connectivity but are unresponsive. I'll try emailing all the other contacts listed in peeringdb.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Mike Hammett<br>
Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>
<a href="http://www.ics-il.com/" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br>
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Midwest-IX<br>
<a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com/" target="_blank">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>To: </b>"North American Network Operators' Group" <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Friday, November 23, 2018 10:21:51 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Amazon Peering<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Does anyone have a direct contact to get a peering session established with Amazon at an IX? I sent a peering request Dec 2017 and two more times this Sept and Nov with no response.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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