<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 20, 2019, at 01:52 , Scott Christopher <<a href="mailto:sc@ottie.org" class="">sc@ottie.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">No :)<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Huh?</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">BART is Bay Area Rapid Transit, a public transportation system with its own bureaucracy and publicly elected board.<br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Caltrans is a separate State bureaucracy, though it has a big office in the city of Oakland near BART Headquarters.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I’m quite aware of this. If you’ll note, the thing I was replying to said he was ALSO looking for a good contact within CALDOT.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I was pointing out that CALDOT doesn’t call itself CALDOT, but refers to itself as CalTrans.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">And then there is Caltrain which is the commuter rail that runs down the peninsula. That organization has its own bureaucracy and board, too.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Sure, but I’m not sure how that suddenly became relevant to the conversation.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Lesson to be learned: don't use obscure acronyms unknown outside a small geographical region :)<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Well, I think calling any of the above terms “obscure” is a bit of a stretch. I would agree that they are not widely known outside of California and that the level of common knowledge may decrease with distance from the immediate SF Bay Area. However, referring to them as obscure when I think you’d be hard pressed to find anyone who has ever spent more than 2 weeks i the bay area that isn’t familiar with them seems a bit of an exaggeration.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Owen DeLong wrote:<br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="">You’ll have more luck finding California Dept. of Transportation if you call them “CalTrans” which is what they call themselves.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen<br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 18, 2019, at 17:27 , Ben Cannon <<a href="mailto:ben@6by7.net" class="">ben@6by7.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">HAH. Apologies for copying the list. But I think we all needed a good Friday laugh. <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Making it relevant again, also looking for a good contact within CALDOT (California Dept of Transportation) and the joint bridge authority for the Bay Bridge in San Francisco.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Have a good weekend all :)<br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">-Ben Cannon<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 18, 2019, at 5:25 PM, William Herrin <<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" class="">bill@herrin.us</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 5:18 PM Ben Cannon <<a href="mailto:ben@6by7.net" class="">ben@6by7.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><div class="">> I’m speaking of the san francisco based Bay Area Rapid Transit department about Rights Of Way for fiber…<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Now you've said enough that if the person you're looking for is here he'll have some idea you mean him.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">> What are you talking about?<br class=""></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Inappropriate abbreviation. I mean sure, why not a NANOG Friday Fight Club, but why would you want to get in a ROW (noisy argument) with BART Simpson?<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards,<br class=""></div><div class="">Bill Herrin<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">William Herrin ................<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:herrin@dirtside.com" class="">herrin@dirtside.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" class="">bill@herrin.us</a><br class=""></div><div class="">Dirtside Systems ......... 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