<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">This seems entirely plausible given that DWDM amplifiers and lasers being a complex analog system, they need OOB to align. <br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><div style="direction: inherit;">--</div><div style="direction: inherit;">Eric</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br>On 31 Dec 2018, at 16:06, Saku Ytti <<a href="mailto:saku@ytti.fi">saku@ytti.fi</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>Hey Steve,</span><br><span></span><br><span>I will continue to speculate, as that's all we have.</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>1. Are you telling me that several line cards failed in multiple cities in the same way at the same time? Don't think so unless the same software fault was propagated to all of them. If the problem was that they needed to be reset, couldn't that be accomplished by simply reseating them?</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>L2 DCN/OOB, whole network shares single broadcast domain</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>2. Do we believe that an OOB management card was able to generate so much traffic as to bring down the optical switching? Very doubtful which means that the systems were actually broken due to trying to PROCESS the "invalid frames". Seems like very poor control plane management if the system is attempting to process invalid data and bringing down the forwarding plane.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>L2 loop. You will kill your JNPR/CSCO with enough trash on MGMT ETH.</span><br><span>However I can be argued that optical network should fail up in absence</span><br><span>of control-plane, IP network has to fail down.</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>3. In the cited document it was stated that the offending packet did not have source or destination information. If so, how did it get propagated throughout the network?</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>BPDU</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>My guess at the time and my current opinion (which has no real factual basis, just years of experience) is that a bad software package was propagated through their network.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>Lot of possible reasons, I choose to believe what they've communicated</span><br><span>is what the writer of the communication thought that happened, but as</span><br><span>they likely are not SME it's broken radio communication. BCAST storm</span><br><span>on L2 DCN would plausibly fit the very ambiguous reason offered and is</span><br><span>something people actually are doing.</span><br><span></span><br><span>-- </span><br><span> ++ytti</span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>